PACMAN P4P BEST NOW

[the big K]

O hell no!!! How can a technically flawed fighter become p4p best? He is exciting and strong as hell but he gets hit alot. I'm a big fan but I won't rate him higher than Floyd or even Winky.

I agree!

[Julius Rain]

Am a Pacfan and a Filipina and pretty much contented with his no.2 or even a number 3 spot on that p4p ranking... "IF" Juam Manuel Mrquez accepts Manny's challenge and Manny winning the rematch then i say he's pound for pound number 1 for IMHO.

Salamat Manny at kung napanood nyo yung post fight interview with an interpreter you'll know how humble Manny is.

shina your cute!

[sleeplessrevolution]

well like mine,yours his and hers everyone seems to have his own meaning of what a P4P really is. Larry merchant is just stating his own opinion of what a P4P means in his own mind. Doesn't mean he is forcefully convincing you or anybody. just think about this, if larry merchant is no good in his own meaning of what P4P is, then what makes you think yours is better? In fact, what a P4P meant for you might be even worse to somebody who has another meaning in his mind.

here's another thing. We may all fantasize all day we want that if floyd vs pac happens, floyd destroys pac. how convenient and easy for us to predict things like this because we know fight is impossible to happen anyway. Many predictors of morales vs pac have already been a victim of this embarrassment at the end of EM vs pac trilogy. , truth be told in the case of pacquiao we learn that people is truly amazing that they can change even for such a short period of time if they have the patience,passion and the will to do so.

a destruction of pacman?..yes in reality that might be possible,very possible but also possible that floyds record may have now been stained if the pretty boy showed up on the fight against jose luis castillo will show in front of pac who beat EM in their trilogy. where floyd against castillo that time is clearly rattled with that type of pressure alone given to him. apparently, PAC is infinitely way too good in pressure type of fighting, he is not a wannabe on this area, It's his true character and style, Here's another fact, although pac is hittable doesn't mean he can't hit floyd back and would go down easily and please don't push the argument that floyd can't and will not be hit by pacman. Please kindly watch the 1st castillo and mayweather fight before you do embark on another level of fantasy. Why wouldn't pacman hit and hurt him when pac is way too fast than castillo, his punches comes in all angles, better head and feet moverment and most importantly way too blessed with endurance than a superbly conditioned castillo to keep up the pressure all night long. As this is a fantasy only lets just think that both great fighters meet as P4P fighter perse and not their current individual weight where of course floyd is a bigger fighter than the pacman. All this doesn't mean pac would surely win against mayweather anytime which goes the same for floyd, what iam implying is that floyd at bad night could be beaten by a prime pacman at least P4P. just my opinion..

[pacfan]

All right folks, I'm not taking this just sitting down. If PBF is so good, why do his fans get easily ruffled when Pac's name is mentioned, just asking.

Pac has way to many flaws in his fight game and he has a loss in his prime.Floyd doesnt.

If he's so good, why is he ducking all those guys who they say he's ducking? Please don't give those sissy excuse like 'cuz they ain't nothing.' Isn't it reasonable to assume he'd ducked Pac to just asking. c'mon use your heads.

He's pleasing, he's quick, he's obviously good, but were he the same weight as Mayweather Naturally he would be destroyed.

Is that so? He can't even destroy Castillo, maybe beat him ya, but 'destroy' Ask any boxing experts, Pac would've have destroyed Castillo at the same weight.

Don't get too upset at us, you PBF fans always start this thing. We're just defending our poor boy.
Peace, broddas.

[Julius Rain]

funny how people say pac has so many flaws, but if so then why does he puts legends on their a$ses. No one in history can have so much distraction but still destroys oppenent right when he gets in the ring. and he never has to sell himself to have everyone watching him.

[josef4334]

funny how people say pac has so many flaws, but if so then why does he puts legends on their a$ses. No one in history can have so much distraction but still destroys oppenent right when he gets in the ring. and he never has to sell himself to have everyone watching him.

wow.. u hit the nail on the head.. but hey.. as long as your name is not mayweather or winky or jones jr you could never be p4p even if you knock out the whole world... so you gotta deal with it....although ive been itching to ask this question.. who throws a punch while going forward that keeps their balance i just wanna know who can do that.. who can attack and go forward while punching without losing balance

ohh by the way.. pbf is so good defensively and is a master boxer and a ring general.. thats why he throw 10 punches in flurry(the most) and runs all night so he chin and defense wont be tested..

[supergenius]

It's true El Gamo the p4p was made to say who would beat who at the same weight, and Floyd would destroy Pacquaio. He is too fast, too good defensively, and Pacquaio is too poor defensively. I also think Winky would beat him.

Remember Barrera and Morales are technically skilled fighters. They lost to the power of Pacquaio. If Floyd fights Pacman in the same weight category, I believe Pacquaio will knock him before 8th round. PBF has never tasted a fight with the skill and power of Pacman. That's why he always looks good after a fight. Ask the baby face assasin how strong the Pacman is. Pacquaio basically, destroyed his baby face. Pretty boy, surely will not be pretty anymore had he met the same caliber as Pacquaio.

[titleist905t]

funny how people say pac has so many flaws, but if so then why does he puts legends on their a$ses. No one in history can have so much distraction but still destroys oppenent right when he gets in the ring. and he never has to sell himself to have everyone watching him.

wow.. u hit the nail on the head.. but hey.. as long as your name is not mayweather or winky or jones jr you could never be p4p even if you knock out the whole world... so you gotta deal with it....although ive been itching to ask this question.. who throws a punch while going forward that keeps their balance i just wanna know who can do that.. who can attack and go forward while punching without losing balance

ohh by the way.. pbf is so good defensively and is a master boxer and a ring general.. thats why he throw 10 punches in flurry(the most) and runs all night so he chin and defense wont be tested..

The flaw you are looking at is exactly what makes the Pacman so effective offensively, if you lunge while throwing a punch of course you sacrifice balance and defense but what it does is throw your opponent off balance too..makes them back up and forces them to jab more than they have too. Solis was able to be effective on the first few rounds by avoiding Pacmans charge with his side to side movement and long jabs but the thing is you can only do that until you start to realize that you have to score too since your opponent is very aggressive and may favor the judges. We tend to overlook that Solis is a much bigger and longer fighter than Pacquiao and he was the first to admit that he did not expect Solis to have punching power. What he did is overpower a much bigger opponent and was able to do so.

[Olympian904]

Pac lunges with his punches...he bounces(causes you to run into punches),he over swings...
If you think that Pac p4p is better than Floyd b/c he is exciting to watch....I'm glad that your on a forum and not the real world.

[The_Infinite]

O hell no!!! How can a technically flawed fighter become p4p best? He is exciting and strong as hell but he gets hit alot. I\\\'m a big fan but I won\\\'t rate him higher than Floyd or even Winky.

Perhaps you should ask \\\"How can a technically flawed fighter beat the hell out of Morales and Barrera?\\\" I am m not a boxing fan, but I know those two Mexican Fighters are one of the best boxers in this era. Has Mayweather beaten anyone near the caliber of Barrera and Morales? You think Mayweather could beat Barrera or Morales given they are of the same weight class? Of course you\\\'ll say he can because you\\\'re a PBF fan. Well Guess what? Pacquiao has already done that. And he beat them in a convincing fashion.

Some people are saying P4P should be rated according to boxing skills in the ring. If that is your definition then surely Mayweather is the best. But for me, P4P is different. Imagine that all boxers are of the same weight, who do you think can beat who regardless of boxing skills? And again the answer to this is where PBF and PacMan fans will agree to disagree. PacMan doesn\\\'t necesarrily have the greatest boxing skill but he has shown and proven he can beat those with better boxing skills than him. Also, the PacMan has had more quality competition than PBF. PBF is like a 5th grade punk taking on 2nd or 3rd graders. How can you call that P4P best? This are all just my opinion and am not flaming anybody. Peace fellow forumers :-)

P.S. This is my first post

[CutMeMick]

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works.

[supergenius]

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works.

Can't agree with you cutmemick. to be # 1 pound for pound you need to earn that. DEfeating the current #1P4P who may not actually deserve the title will not make the conqueror deserving of the title.

[superheavyrhun]

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works.

So....let me get this straight. If Carlos Baldomir....he of the many defeats had beaten Floyd (with a lucky punch, or maybe Floyd got DQ'd), would you then consider Baldomir the #1 P4P, because I sure as hell wouldn't. For me, beating Floyd would not make ODLH the best P4P, he isn't active enough to be considered in that bracket....with 1 fight in the past three years. You can't be coming out of such a career break and win the P4P ranking.

[josef4334]

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works.

i dont have a problem with odlh being p4p #1.. he paid his dues.. stood in the ring and fought a war with the best boxing... if you could slug it out with julio ceasar chavez... you are something.. do you think floyd would fare well with jcc sr?

[sleeplessrevolution]

he may not have the best style but look at who hes beaten Manny is p4p the best in my opinion
wot do you guys think ?

As a fan of the PACMAN I am already contented that he is number 2 P4P. If MAyweather loses his fight against DLH, Pacman could take the #1 slot.

Actually if ODLH beats PBF, then ODLH becomes #1 P4P.
Thats the way it works.

So....let me get this straight. If Carlos Baldomir....he of the many defeats had beaten Floyd (with a lucky punch, or maybe Floyd got DQ'd), would you then consider Baldomir the #1 P4P, because I sure as hell wouldn't. For me, beating Floyd would not make ODLH the best P4P, he isn't active enough to be considered in that bracket....with 1 fight in the past three years. You can't be coming out of such a career break and win the P4P ranking.

if oscar with heavens help suddenly found a way to win against floyd in there match and is suddenly proclaimed as now P4P #1. Iam sure many boxing fans and critics will disagree with it. but even more, if carlos baldomir deliver that so called lucky punch or DQed floyd and then suddenly proclaimed P4P #1 there will be no disagreement anymore. instead, boxing fans will kill them for their decision.

P4P title is not like the ABC belt we know that if for example if carlos baldomir beat floyd in a title fight he will then be proclaimed as the new champion instantly and have this belt and the title " The new blah blag blah champion of the world" P4P title is entirely different it is the toughest ever title for a boxer to get because it does not play by the book, it has something to do with "RESPECT" and in order to get that from the boxing fans in general. a boxer need to present grueling proofs such as their current track record, boxing skills and how you use and deliver it to your opponent and of course two of the most important things in consideration: quality of opponents and quality of wins against opponents etc.. etc...

problem with this situation is that there's a very big difference with the track record of golden boy and baldomir. This is the situation where record, quality of opponents and quality of wins comes in full force in the discussion. even then, it's just too tough to universally please everyone and hand in their respect to you as a boxer. but with the help of a highly respected boxing group such as the ring magazine. it would make life in boxing so much easier.