I DO admit though,Tony looked HORRIBLE V cLOTTEY.(I'd say he was at 70%,he still won though)

Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by
El Gamo
He was about 16/17 when he fought Jones,with a limited amateur background.
Well P4P,if you think Clottey won the first,you neeed to go watch it again. Clottey always starts fast and gasses,Tony usually starts slow. Tony was injured too yet you didn't hear the rugged Tijuana native complaining "oh my wrist","oh my ankle". Clottey was outwilled.
He was 18 and had been pro for 2 years against Jones
With a limited amatuer career.Have you seen the fight? I haven't so I can't really comment.

Originally Posted by
TheBESTP4P

Originally Posted by
El Gamo

Originally Posted by
TheBESTP4P
i think Paul Williams is the hungrier of the two to be honest at this point.
The basis for that statement is? Tony has been busting his balls and this is his first million plus payday with another in the waiting(winner of the Cotto Zab fight). I'm sure that'll make him hungry.

Originally Posted by
TheBESTP4P
plus toney looked awful against clottey for what ever reason. hes already looking on the decline IMO
Wrist injury,ankle injury,poor camp were all factors to take into account to.
i honestly dont see the same toney anymore for some reason?
I thought he looked really really sharp in sparring until the injury.I din't think they'll leave anything to chance this time.

Originally Posted by
p4pking

Originally Posted by
El Gamo
He was about 16/17 when he fought Jones,with a limited amateur background.
Well P4P,if you think Clottey won the first,you neeed to go watch it again. Clottey always starts fast and gasses,Tony usually starts slow. Tony was injured too yet you didn't hear the rugged Tijuana native complaining "oh my wrist","oh my ankle". Clottey was outwilled.
I just can't agree with you that he was "outwilled". I mean even you have to admit, he obviously did hurt his hand.. Sure Tony may have had injuries that he had been dealing with, but it's not as if he would have entered the fight if he was literally in pain on the day of.. And Clottey is perfectly capable of fighting 12 rounds, it's not as if he's a total front runner, he is just a better boxer than Tony.. You think he would have lost still if he didn't hurt the hand? I can't see it.
I don't see it any other way. PLenty of fighters have had broken hands,Floyd got pain in his spine in that fight he took a knee,yet he didn't whine about it,he got up and fought on. Clottey always gets gassed,did against Baldo,did at times v Chico,certainly did against Gutirrez and Tony. Tony always comes on strong. The fight was nearly cancelled when Tony twisted his ankle in sparring,thats how bad it was.
He is a better boxer, but his body is wide open all day long and TOny works the bod really well. Wacth the end of the 9th round where Tony sends him into the corner and bangs away.Clottey was getting worn out with Tony's shots which were not even fully powered.
I can't see how one can make the assumption that he DEFINITELY would have won had he not been injured.
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