Still think delahoy gonna win

[Puya]

This is what I would liek to see when I watch this fight.

BPF with too much confidence in the 4 and BOOM get caught and then trying to get up picking up his mouthpeace but bay the time he gets up is all over.

hey come on dreaming is not bad!!!

[Hairdoo]

DLH win by KO put your house on it

Even before the fight was announced I had made that decision. Problem is I was planning on waiting until the end of camp before placing bet but the odds on Oscar are shorting so much!!

I could see PBF frustrating ODLH for most of the fight. PBF would use that pinpoint jab to the stomach and face all night. ODLH is very patient though and he would adjust and probably throw combos as PBF was coming in to scare PBF from reaching with the jab. ODLH looked great against Mayorga but PBF's speed and defense is bananas. Seriously, ODLH has power, but everyone that has ever faced PBF has had more power than him, if good power punchers like Corrales, Judah, Castillo, Gatti, could hardly land any clean punch on the chin, much less a power punch, I just don't see how ODLH is any different. Every fight people are always like "if Floyd gets caught, it's over" and that might be true, but the guy hardly gets caught cleanly. What I am scared about is that shot Judah hit him with in the fourth round of their fight. The guy was truly buzzed even though he was smiling through his gloves at Judah.

What about the fact that Oscar would KTFO of Corrales, Judah, Castillo and Gatti!! none of those guys fight at 154

Everyone thinks Floyd is going to outbox Oscar so easily but who the hell ever has out boxed him?

mosely did a pretty good job of out-boxing oscar
hopkins was also doing a great job of outboxing oscar too, until he knocked him out
i do like oscar, though
but.................
floyd mayweather is the best fighter weve seen in a very long while
floyd by late ko

It could be argued that Mosely and Hopkins were both p4p number 1 when they fought Oscar, it could also be argued that Oscar won the 2nd Mosely fight and a single punch verses Hopkins doesn't equate to being totally outclassed.

What p4p guys has Floyd shared the ring with in the last 4 years? or just above Super Featherweight for that matter?

If Oscar is 100% fit and Floyd senior is genuinely training him to win then you will see Floyd get stopped for the first time in his career or lose a by UD at the very least.

if that were true then oscar would be willing to fight him. he bit off more than he could chew when he started talking floyd

oscar came back from his layoff STRONG, but backed down to a top p4p fighter.
so in the meantime, go ahead and give all these stupid reasons and excuses about why oscar wont step in the ring with floyd, but keep in mind that everything was a go............except oscar.

If the man questions his own desire to fight or is carrying injuries this late in his career following the Mayorga win, who are we to blame him for not wanting to risk anything else.

For you to insinuate that he is scared of PBF is ludicrous!!! I know I sound like a broken record but how can squaring off from lil'Floyd be any more daunting than..

Pernell Whitaker
Felix Trinidad
Fernando Vargas
Shane Mosley
Felix Sturm
Bernard Hopkins

Fact is Floyd has never fought anyone that has a chin as good, can crack as good, can box as good and can finish a guy off as good as Oscar.

wow.......did you see oscar vs. pernell or sturm, cant say he clearly won those fights.....in fact, those two go out as 2 of the biggest robberies of all time

so he did fight b-hop, and got knocked out

he LOST to trinidad

which leaves vargas (not exactly a legend) and mosely (remember those fights?)



hmmmmmm.........so your boy is 3 of 7 with 2 of those victories being extremely controversial.
youre not exactly making a great case for oscar

Thanks for reminding me about this topic H

My point is the quality of competition Oscar has faced not the result. but either way they were all close fights.

Now Oscar has stated that he will not fight Floyd lower than 154 and we all saw how much speed and power Floyd lost against Judah so how much speed and power do you think he will carry up to 154 when he changes from 8 ounce to 10 ounce WINNINGS?

Floyd will lose this fight mark my words and if Oscar isn't carring injuries plus his camp goes well with Snr then I will make a ton of money

[Drama]

I say pbf wins by stoppage

He'll be landing that many acurate shots just like the gatti fight although it won't hurt DLH the pure accuracy and amount will make the ref stop the fight.

[bigragu]

This is what I would liek to see when I watch this fight.

BPF with too much confidence in the 4 and BOOM get caught and then trying to get up picking up his mouthpeace but bay the time he gets up is all over.

hey come on dreaming is not bad!!!

Did you just watch the "Buster Douglas/Mike Tyson" extravaganza?!?!?! that was the end of that fight.... so are you pulling for the "Underdog"?

[Puya]

Yeah you got me there I want to see PBF like Tyson was at that moment the exact same way.

[pacdog]

Look at the lines.. floyd is not really a huge favorite, beleive me if its close it aint going to floyd they defnetly prefer oscar to win.. rematch more future fights.. mayweather is real good but like jones a d i c k
they would have all the endorsements in the world but their stupid...... like i said theres nothing in mayweather that scares me here, this is coming from s guy who rooted against oscar his whole career

[pacdog]

sorry to make a mess but let me put this point up, i dont really like oscar never have he sometime s looks like he doesnt train with much effort i see your points against sturm (came in whoeful shape) hopkins I think he just quit literally or took a dive that punch wasnt much... but he still has fought greater oppositon chavez, mosley is by far and wide 60 percent better than anyone floyd has ever fought even at his age right now of 35 or so. Im glad he waxed that ass on cotto as that is what he was supposed to do and you know what he didnt look all that spectacular in the rematch to be honest. Oscar has foguht bigger men and beat most of them. You could argue for a mayweather win sure but to say he is gonna alsk all over oscar is just stupid, oscar will be in shape and Motivated and he is not carlos baldomir or arturo gatti not by a long shot

[LegendBoxing65]

I read somewhere that Oscar has a granite chin. My feeling is that he really has not taken a clean punch where he would be tested. He is rarely hit with a clean shot. the man has good defense and his jab has alot to do with it, although Floyd might get to Oscar's chin. I suspect we will have a boring 12 round fight with Floyd winning. I will say this.. The way Oscar has to win this fight is to do what Hagler did to Hearns. Just go for broke, and that takes a special fighter to be able to do that. Hagler never ever came out like that and neither did Hearns to be honest. Takes two to tango as Hagler said after the fight, but Oscar has to do that in round one. Because once Floyd gets in rounds 2 and 3 he will get his rhythm and he seems to get better and better until he dominates. Oscar has to use the first round when Floyd is not yet in the flow to shock floyd and nail him with big punches. If he can. Oscar has to do this and if his trainer tells him the right thing to do it will be to come out swinging big time. So what if the fight only lasts 2 rounds if Oscar punches himself out, at least that will be his best way to win. I am sold on this. I have run this fight in my head alot and to see Oscar jabbing might work in round one a little but Floyd will get the rhythm and bust up Oscar in the mid rounds and stop him or win a decision. Oscar is a good I would say almost great fighter, but he never has beaten the cream of the crop in a dominant way. Hearns beat more cream of the crop than Delahoya believe it or not. Tommy would either crash big or cause someone to crash. Oscar has shown that if he is having a hard fight he sort of goes in a lull and gets into a boring rhythm and doesn't have a good instinct about where he is in a fight like Sugar Ray Leonard did. Ray knew where he was and what he had to do. Tactics for the fight? Oscar should go for broke in round one and try to shock Floyd into trading or at least do some damage and maybe make Floyd get off his gameplan by giving him hell in round one and getting him more busted up than he ever was,, and Floyd's tactic would be to get his rhythm and work Oscar's body bigtime. I think he could stop Oscar with a bodyshot.. Not like Bernard with one, but with several. All in all since I do not think Oscar is as physically or mentally strong as Marvin Hagler, he will not go for broke at all. Only Hagler could do that. So that means. floyd wins this fight

[Hairdoo]

I read somewhere that Oscar has a granite chin. My feeling is that he really has not taken a clean punch where he would be tested.

Don't go with your feeling get some tapes and use your eyes Oscar has been tagged plenty, his chin is granite mate.

[LegendBoxing65]

Oscar does not have a granite chin. I was at a fight he fought in lake Tahoe in the mid 90s or so and he was knocked down in the first round. He is not hit clean. No way Delahoya has a granite chin. He is in an era of guys who like to box and not test chins. If he were in the Leonard,Hearns,Duran era he would have had a chin test. I have tapes. When are these fights he was tagged? Quartey barely tapped him and Oscar went down. Hagler has a granite chin, Chavez does. Delahoya? Not proven.

[Hairdoo]

He is not hit clean. No way Delahoya has a granite chin. When are these fights he was tagged?

I'm sure I remember thinking how good Oscar's chin was when Vargas, Mosley & Mayorga all loaded up big shots and hit him clean.

He is in an era of guys who like to box and not test chins.

you can't be serious?

Check out the KO percentage these opponents when they stepped into the ring against Oscar.

Mayorga 28wins 23ko's 82%
Hopkins 44wins 31ko's 70%
Mosley 34wins 32ko's 94%
Vargas 22wins 20ko's 90%
Castillejo 51wins 33ko's 64%
Gatti 34wins 28ko's 82%
Trinidad 35wins 30ko's 85%
Quartey 34wins 29ko's 85%
Chavez 97wins 80ko's 82%
Gonzalez 41wins 31ko's 75%
Ruelas 43wins 34ko's 79%

These guys liked to go home early.

[LegendBoxing65]

Those stats mean nothing, you get to any top fighters in a list you get good knockout percentages. Look at their overall record in big fights vs. good fighters.. Yuri boy Campas punches ok ,but his record shows he was a harder puncher than his fights- since he fights tomato cans usually until he steps up. Quartey and Oscar just stared at each other and then when one would land the other saw the opening and they would land glancing blows and cause knockdowns. The Oscar/Shane/Tito/Mayweather era will be known as the era of boxing safety first... the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran era will be known as the era of warriors. Which era do you think will be remembered in say 2040? It is not about percentages it is about when you have a guy in front of you who can punch, do you take the chance and try and knock him out? Sure Quartey can knock out a tomato can when that guy is sitting there waiting to be stopped. . Tito and Oscar never engaged. yet Tito is a warrior and probably the only one of the whole bunch. I do not put Vargas in there because to me he is not the cream of the crop. He never made it to the big boys. These guys now want to box and win decisions. Oscar has never in my mind had a real chin test which is to his CREDIT. He is elusive. Bernard knew he would be hard to get a chin test so he tested his body. And guess what? He might have been hit on the top of the head or the back of the neck in some fights, but never a clean punch in center ring loaded up. But that lack of commitment hurts him in boxing history. Another Oscar and Shane and Mayweather will be around in a few years under other names with guys from the Olympic Trials and Olympics. Names come and go.. But the fact is Hagler and Hearns made a point of putting exclamations on thier fight. Which makes them more than just another era.. And I have said all along, if Oscar wants to win this fight he has to exert his size advantage and go to war like the guys in the 80s and take it to Floyd early. He has to take the chance and maybe get countered. But the way he fights, he will start off slow and jab and wait for the counter left, and he probably will not get it and floyd will get the rhythm and win a boring decision. Sure Oscar might be aggressive in round one if he hits Floyd a little and Floyd is backing up, but it will not last. Then Floyd will get his rhythm and win a decision like I said. Hence the era the boxing era. But it has not been a really exciting era with Oscar. Not really. He is good looking and fights decent fighters, but he does not put his all into the big fights which could have become iconic.

[tedsares]

No. PBF by UD

[Purist]

The complaining will never stop.People keep saying that Oscar is bigger,stronger,has fought the better competition,has all of this courage,etc...but after Floyd beats him...it'll just be, "well DLH was past his prime so it doesnt prove anything for Floyd".You have to make up your mind.
Floyd gets picked apart because the "best" fighter he has ever faced is JLC,who is considered on the forum as a "B" fighter.Yet at the same time...Margo,Cotto,Williams,Hatton,etc...all get praised as if they beat nothing but "A" fighters.

It's a fact Oscar is old is it not? And Castillo is certainly an A grade fighter for sure. You misunderstand though,if Floyd retires after Oscar,he is missing out an: paydays and making his resume look amazing. After beating Oscar,it'll be good,but when was his last challenge before Oscar? JLC,5 years ago? That is NOT all time great stuff is it>?

If you say this is the biggest fight of Floyd's career and then pick Oscar to beat him, then why wouldn't his resume look amazing if he wins?

[Hairdoo]

Those stats mean nothing, you get to any top fighters in a list you get good knockout percentages. Look at their overall record in big fights vs. good fighters.. Yuri boy Campas punches ok ,but his record shows he was a harder puncher than his fights- since he fights tomato cans usually until he steps up. Quartey and Oscar just stared at each other and then when one would land the other saw the opening and they would land glancing blows and cause knockdowns. The Oscar/Shane/Tito/Mayweather era will be known as the era of boxing safety first... the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran era will be known as the era of warriors. Which era do you think will be remembered in say 2040? It is not about percentages it is about when you have a guy in front of you who can punch, do you take the chance and try and knock him out? Sure Quartey can knock out a tomato can when that guy is sitting there waiting to be stopped. . Tito and Oscar never engaged. yet Tito is a warrior and probably the only one of the whole bunch. I do not put Vargas in there because to me he is not the cream of the crop. He never made it to the big boys. These guys now want to box and win decisions. Oscar has never in my mind had a real chin test which is to his CREDIT. He is elusive. Bernard knew he would be hard to get a chin test so he tested his body. And guess what? He might have been hit on the top of the head or the back of the neck in some fights, but never a clean punch in center ring loaded up. But that lack of commitment hurts him in boxing history. Another Oscar and Shane and Mayweather will be around in a few years under other names with guys from the Olympic Trials and Olympics. Names come and go.. But the fact is Hagler and Hearns made a point of putting exclamations on thier fight. Which makes them more than just another era.. And I have said all along, if Oscar wants to win this fight he has to exert his size advantage and go to war like the guys in the 80s and take it to Floyd early. He has to take the chance and maybe get countered. But the way he fights, he will start off slow and jab and wait for the counter left, and he probably will not get it and floyd will get the rhythm and win a boring decision. Sure Oscar might be aggressive in round one if he hits Floyd a little and Floyd is backing up, but it will not last. Then Floyd will get his rhythm and win a decision like I said. Hence the era the boxing era. But it has not been a really exciting era with Oscar. Not really. He is good looking and fights decent fighters, but he does not put his all into the big fights which could have become iconic.

So you believe Oscar, Shane & Tito will be remembered as "safety first boxers" Lets not forget Oscar & Shane started as Lightweights and went all the way up to Light Middleweight & Middleweight. All three have 1 punch knockout power, maybe you should go watch Oscar v Shane I again and then tell me they are safety 1st boxers.

Mayweather doesn't deserve to be mentioned with these guys because he hasn't fought any of them or anyone for that matter even close to their caliber. His hardest two opponents to date have been a 135 pound Castillo and a guy who got sparked in 2 rounds by Kostya and lost a UNANIMOUS DECISION to Carlos Baldomir

Even if Oscar doesn't beat Floyd May 5th I' am 100% sure more people will know who 'The Golden Boy' Oscar De La Hoya is in 2040 then any member of the Fabulous Four Middleweights. How can you honestly believe another Oscar, Shane & Floyd will come around in a few years when NO-ONE has ever won belts in SIX DIVISIONS like Oscar, or won belts in FOUR DIVISIONS and going for his FIFTH in less than TEN YEARS as Floyd is at age 30!! and Mosley well... I' am sure there aren't to many Lightweights in history that have gone on to become UNDISPUTED Light Middleweight Champion.