well not to much crap Von but a little...I'm not going to argue that the better your standup is the better your going to be. Take down defense has overcome the dominance seen by wrestlers in the previous years so all MMA fighters at least for the time being better be able to stand and fight. But I've seen you reference Chuck's punches as looping and sloppy. So which is it? Are his punches looping sloppy or is his wide punching and use of timing and odd angles simply a augmentation of traditional boxing counter punching to mma striking? C'mon Von, Fedor's punching is sloppy. Yes he hits like a mule and yes he has very fast hands but there isn't alot of technique there. Yes, Randy did utilize some strong boxing techniques, but it is much easier to use boxing techniques against a fighter that barely uses kicks/knees/takedowns. I think we can all agree that his style for the Sylvia fight wouldn't be as effective versus Nog/Fedor/CC or even arlovski. Tim is good at fighting tall and punching but he isn't going to attempt a takedown and he isn't going to use kicks other than leg kicks. I do agree Nick does utilize a jab better than most MMA fighters. His large reach adv on opponents helps this to though. Nick also uses alot of wide looping punches albeit in a more offensive version compared to Chuck's counter punching style. In the end I think in MMA there is a bigger onus on the physical attributes of boxing than technique. I think power, handspeed, balance, chin, reflexes and footwork are more important than great technique in MMA.