(prime) holmes vs holyfield

[pacdog]

i believe if you're the heavyweight world champion and you can't get motivated for a title defense then you shouldn't be champ. that being said, i highly doubt that being the case with Holyfield. he's always been a true and dedicated champion and motivation has never been a problem for Holyfield. i've watched Holyfield since his light heavyweight days and i never seen himm give less than 100% physically or mentally. not even when he went through his medical problems in the mid 90's. so i don't buy that one. as far as Norton goes, his style gave Larry problems. styles make fights. Frazier gave Ali fits but got destroyed by Foreman. Holyfield let Bowe out jab him and beat him twice. and i think we can all agree, he couldn't carry Larry's jock.

I have to strongly disagree with you here, while Im sure holyfield was physically up to the challenge the desire to fight holmes wasnt there he simply want eager t face him as he stated in his book, like you said styles make fights holmes gave tyson a bit of trouble for some rounds.. but tyson has trmendous power holyfield is more of a boxer who can pick he spots inside, again im not saying holy would defently win but in all honesty I dont see your point i that bowe coudlnt carry homes jockstrap... mabey in the heart department, also I thought evander one pretty convincly he has never been a big knock out artist and priime for prime holyfield had faster hands than larry its larrys reach thats the problem, oh also you think holmes could beat bowe in his prime? Mabey mabey not, he struggled with ken norton an ordinary fighter who gave ALI problems well due too Style see styles make fights and I would think bowe or holyfield would handily beat ken norton

[ICB]

i believe if you're the heavyweight world champion and you can't get motivated for a title defense then you shouldn't be champ. that being said, i highly doubt that being the case with Holyfield. he's always been a true and dedicated champion and motivation has never been a problem for Holyfield. i've watched Holyfield since his light heavyweight days and i never seen himm give less than 100% physically or mentally. not even when he went through his medical problems in the mid 90's. so i don't buy that one. as far as Norton goes, his style gave Larry problems. styles make fights. Frazier gave Ali fits but got destroyed by Foreman. Holyfield let Bowe out jab him and beat him twice. and i think we can all agree, he couldn't carry Larry's jock.

I have to strongly disagree with you here, while Im sure holyfield was physically up to the challenge the desire to fight holmes wasnt there he simply want eager t face him as he stated in his book, like you said styles make fights holmes gave tyson a bit of trouble for some rounds.. but tyson has trmendous power holyfield is more of a boxer who can pick he spots inside, again im not saying holy would defently win but in all honesty I dont see your point i that bowe coudlnt carry homes jockstrap... mabey in the heart department, also I thought evander one pretty convincly he has never been a big knock out artist and priime for prime holyfield had faster hands than larry its larrys reach thats the problem, oh also you think holmes could beat bowe in his prime? Mabey mabey not, he struggled with ken norton an ordinary fighter who gave ALI problems well due too Style see styles make fights and I would think bowe or holyfield would handily beat ken norton

Norton wasn't ordinary fighter he was skilled fighter who had trouble if you jumped on him straight away like Foreman + Shavers but if you let him get warmed up he could be handful for anyone Holmes won 5 rounds against prime Holyfield and Holyfield would of been up for Holmes because he knew Holmes had just outboxed Ray Mercer who was dangerous fighter so he would of been up for it Holmes jab would win fight he would stay on outside and outpoint Holyfield he would make it competitive against Holmes but he wouldn't win imo.

[pacdog]

Ice I agree to disagree, I go back aways and ken norton did not possess the skill level holyfield did he did not have as good a boxing ability nor handpseed in their. Holyfield has always risen to the occassion in big fights in which he is challenged, the public was not eager to see holyfiled face larry he actually wanted to fight mercer but was stuck when larry won. He had just beaten foreman and he did not want to take the flack for fighting another senior its a no win situation, holyfield took alot of flack before earning respect due to tyson but years later Im not 100% sure tyson would have beaten a 40 year old foreman as foreman stated many times he came back for tyson, as he comes right to you. Ice.. I totally see how holmes could win and could see holyfield winning as well, i wouldnt feel comfortable either way putting money on it, holyfield when forced to do so can box, and we certainly no larry can.

[pacdog]

larry had an awesome jab but Alis was better which is why ali would beat holmes in his prime, even the fight in which holmes destroyed ali when ali threw the jab it was sharper and more accurate, ali had the most effective Overall jab in heavy weight boxing 2. holmes, Most powerjab formean

[ICB]

larry had an awesome jab but Alis was better which is why ali would beat holmes in his prime, even the fight in which holmes destroyed ali when ali threw the jab it was sharper and more accurate, ali had the most effective Overall jab in heavy weight boxing 2. holmes, Most powerjab formean

I don't think so Ali may of had faster jab but for sharpness and power Holmes jab was better and Holmes would give Ali all he could handle just like Norton's jab gave Ali trouble and when did Ali throw jab sharper than Holmes in there fight ?? he threw maybe 5 punches in whole fight and they were never sharp let alone sharper than Holmes jab.

[pacdog]

Ice this one I cant even debate, Ive seen both Prime for Prime and Ali would take any version of holmes to school in his Prime and put on a boxing clinic there is no doubt in my mind, I give holmes a great nod as mabey the second best pure boxer but Ali was basically retartedly past his prime in their and holmes did not impress me he fought cautious and like a girl for ali was totally defensless in their,

[ICB]

Ice this one I cant even debate, Ive seen both Prime for Prime and Ali would take any version of holmes to school in his Prime and put on a boxing clinic there is no doubt in my mind, I give holmes a great nod as mabey the second best pure boxer but Ali was basically retartedly past his prime in their and holmes did not impress me he fought cautious and like a girl for ali was totally defensless in their,

He was trying not to hurt Ali thats why he didn't impress he was carrying Ali well known fact he would of took Ali in about 7 if he was not carrying him just like Sugar Ray Robinson carried an older Henry Armstrong.

[pacdog]

That well may have been the case but you do more dmage to a man that way, he shoulod have stopped him literally in 4, ali was like a developmentally disbled man in their that night, he even looked strange before the fight began like he was retarted physically, how they let him fight and then let him fight again is murder, dundee was right sayed muhamed should have been locked up

[ICB]

That well may have been the case but you do more dmage to a man that way, he shoulod have stopped him literally in 4, ali was like a developmentally disbled man in their that night, he even looked strange before the fight began like he was retarted physically, how they let him fight and then let him fight again is murder, dundee was right sayed muhamed should have been locked up

I agree Holmes was asking ref to stop it aswell he wouldn't though but Holmes said to me that he wanted to carry Ali to 15th because he always liked Ali and he wanted Ali to still have his pride by going the 15 rounds but i think Holmes should of just took him out earlier would of been better for both Holmes and Ali.

[pacdog]

Yep i agree, Holmes truly a complete fighter heart chin, boxing ability, just saying that ali had even better boxing ability, better chin, and much much faster hands in his youth...