Floyd Mayweather .... i mean why ?

[MannyP]

He is a pompus little a** who is skilled as they come but also came along in the right era.....If this was 1985 Floyd Mayweather would be just another fighter...I don't care what anyone says.....

Would you mind listing the fighters between 130 and 147 pounds who would have been better than Floyd in 1985?

When I say 1985 I refer to it as an about so if you want to get technical we will say from 1980-1988---

He would not have out boxed Hector Camacho,,,Camacho would have frustrated Floyd,,,Aaron Pryor would have Ko'd him...Leonard would have beat him,,Hearns,,Arguello,,Whitaker,,,need I go on.....Everey single one of them would wipe thier a** with Floyds resume

Floyd would beat Arguello and Camacho and Whitaker fight would be 50/50 but Pryor and Hearns would beat him though.

You obviously have little knowledge of a young prime Hector Camacho...or Arguello pre 140 lbs

More to do with you underrating Mayweather i see Arguello get outboxed by Pryor when he stuck and move and Pryor isn't master boxer like Mayweather and i've seen flaws in Arguello where Mayweather could beat him in other fights and Camacho was good fighter but not as skilled as Mayweather i mean Camacho got battered pillar to post by slow Chavez and also got basically shut out by Oscar im sorry he wouldn't beat Mayweather and i've seen quite a few of his fights.

The Hector Camacho who fought Chavez was not a prime Camacho....It was not the version of Camacho who wore the lightweight title...So by using Chavez as an example you answered the question on how much you know of Hector Camacho Sr....And the fact you used Chavez tells me what years of Camacho you have seen...The lightweight Version of Camacho was faster then Floyd Mayweather JR....Hit harder and had a mean streak...Since you seem to think your what is it 17 or 18 years in life makes you such an expert I'll let you explain why and in which fight Camacho turned from the agressive master boxer to the hit and run suspect...
Your a good poster ICB and you have a lot of boxing knowledge but it is all based on recent fighters and comparisons are often made using great fighters past their best days

For the most part, I agree. I'm not sure if he had enough power, but I think a young Camacho would have had a hell of a chance. The problem is that most people seem to remember him as he was later in his career and that just doesn't do him justice. Even worse, it seems that many choose to remember him as something of a clown.

I do think, however, that Mayweather is soon to be exposed for what he is. Personally, I think he has some great skills, but his best skill might be finding fighters who wont challenge his weaknesses. I think he's been padding his record for years. Who the hell has this guy ever fought to deserve such renown? If De La Hoya pulls this off, people will barely remember Mayweather 5-10 years from now. And certainly not as an all-time great.

One way or the other, many delusions will be broken with this one.

He's been P4P number 1 for a couple years now. No chance he isn't remembered.

Well, we'll see. He's got some skill, yes, there's no disputing that. But I think he has some weaknesses that have stayed hidden because of his competition, or lack thereof, and most of this p4p thing over the last couple years has been more hype than substance.

If he were to get beaten badly in this one, then wrap up his career in a mediocre fashion, people would look back on his career and see no special accomplishments. Even now, hell, the guys been a pro for a decade and who's the best fighter he's ever faced? Castillo. A very good fighter, certainly, but look down the list of Oscar's competition and there are at least a half dozen names that are far superior. There's just no comparison. Also, I laughed my ass off the other night when I heard him say he fights the best. He never even fought the best at super featherweight or lightweight, not to mention that he could have moved up and faced real competion a long time ago. Nope, he's been content just hanging out there at 135 racking up wins against nobody, then complaining that he wasn't getting any respect.

Suddenly he moves up in weight, fights some, in my opinion, very questionable competition, and suddenly he's #1 p4p. Come on. All hype.

I might be dead wrong, it wont be the first time, but I just don't see it. Maybe on the 5th I will. Here's what I see now.

1) He's never fought anyone like Oscar, not in skill, power, or size. Not even close.
2) Now he's moving up dramatically in quality, and he's doing it at 154. 154!!! Since he's moved up from 135, who has he fought with any real power? Zip. Now he's moving up to 154 and he's never even felt any real 140 or 147 power, with the possible exception of a couple time Zab stuck him. He's going to be shocked when he feels Oscar's power.

That's the way it is with hype. It can disappear quickly. If he loses this one badly and doesn't manage anything particularly impressive the rest of his career, he'll be remembered on some level, but not with the respect of an all-time great that he seems to have now.

I've felt for a long time that a strong aggressive fighter with decent boxing skills could take advantage of Floyd. Someone who was willing to walk through his stuff and just take it to him hard. Did you ever notice how he reacted when those little guys would pound on him a little? That's why I think a young Camacho definitely could have beaten him, not to mention most of the others who were mentioned. Anyway, that's how I see it. Soon enough, we'll all know.