Do you guys Agree with Max Kellerman

[The Rookie Fan]

As for your list. I would rate them like this:

Maywether
B-Hop
Tito
Mously
Oscar

I rate them:

Mayweather
B-Hop
*Winky Wright*
Mosley
Oscar
Tito

I can't credit Tito for the "win" over Oscar. No way he should have won on points. And once you take that W from him, I don't see how you possibly put him above any of these other guys. I think you have to put him in the place you wanted to put Oscar: never beat an elite fighter in his prime. Seriously, I think Tito is far and away the most one-dimensional guy on this list, and possibly a full step down from the rest of them.

I'm sorry but I disagree. Tito is criticized terribly for his fight with Wright but Wright had the perfect style for Tito and Tito was passed his prime and over his weight class.

Tito is naturally bigger than both Shane and Oscar--this "out of his weight class" thing is silly. He lost 12 straight rounds to Winky at 154--the same weight at which Mosley (in the first fight, at least; I think in both) beat Oscar far more convincingly than Tito did.

If any of these three gets an excuse for losses at 154, it's Shane. He's way smaller than those guys.

At 147 there was no one better than him. Fine take the out the win over Oscar, lets call it a draw, which is what I think it should have been, now tell me what has Oscar or Mously done to make them better than Tito??

Well, they're just far more multi-dimensional fighters. If you want specifics: (1) Mosley beat Oscar clearly in their first fight. Tito was not able to do that. (2) Oscar beat Tito. I don't see a draw there. And I see what could have been yet another total domination of Tito (a la Winky) if Oscar had just kept up what he had done the rest of the fight. There was no reason to worry at that point--Tito hadn't landed anything scary and wasn't going to. Oscar could easily have won that fight 118-110.

I remember them fighting eachother and thinking they looked like to amateurs throwing flurries at eachother and the deafens went out the window. If eather of them would've tried to box the other it would have been much easier fight. And if eather of them fought Tito in the same way they fought eachother they would've had their a**es handed to them inside of 8 rounds.

That's silly. Obviously they wouldn't have fought the same way against Tito that they did against each other. We don't even have to speculate--we have evidence (Oscar vs. Tito).

If you take every common opponent that they have, with the exception of Winky, Tito did far better than both Mously and DLH and Tito got them first when they were still young, hungry and undefeated.

Why except Winky? That fight was especially telling re Tito. But I disagree anyway.

Common opponents:

Shane/Tito - Oscar, Winky, Vargas. Let's forget about Vargas. Obviously Shane handled him easier, but Vargas was well beyond shot at that point. But as to the other two, Shane looked better against BOTH of them.

Oscar/Tito - B-Hop, Vargas. We can discount Vargas again since Tito had already broken him (some say) and he was tremendously juiced on steroids against Oscar. W/r/t B-hop, yes he finished Oscar earlier than he did Tito, but up until that point Oscar was at least competitive. Tito, as against Wright, was utterly dominated and probably didn't win a single round. More evidence that, against the truly great, Tito appears as a lower-tier, and entirely one-dimensional, fighter. Shane and Oscar don't.

I really would have loved to see Tito fight Mously, it is the only guy he didn't fight because he came up at the same time Tito moved to 154. I think Tito would KhimTFO.

Given that Mosley's NEVER BEEN KNOCKED OUT HIS ENTIRE CAREER, that seems like an odd pick. The safe bet is Mosley UD.

LOL tried to sort out the quotes like you but am not very good at it yet and didn't wanna mess up the post....

Anyway, first, Tito fought Winky at 160 not 154. And Tito might have been taller than Oscar and Mously but he was a skinny guy and most would agree that he was not suited for the middleweight division.

You are right that Mously did better against Oscar. For some reason I was not considering him. When I wrote that I ment common opponents other than eachother if you know what I mean

DLH said it himself that in the last 3 rounds against Tito he was exhausted and had nothing left in the tank. If he had tried to mount any type of offensive he would've most likely been knocked down at some point. If there is one good thing about Tito is that he could punch hard throughout the 12 rounds. It is not a fact that DLH beat Trinidad so stop saying it like if it was. It is just your opinion and your point of view. Not everybody agrees on this including all three judges who scored that fight, and it is their opinion that counts.

Shane did not handle Vargas easier. The first fight was even untill they stopped it because of the swelling. And that was the same shot Vargas.

With Oscar you are forgetting Oba Carr, Yory Boy Campas (56-0 with 50 KO at the time) and Whitaker. Whitaker was past his prime on both fights not just against Tito and Whitaker himself said that Tito was much better than DLH. And no one put a beating on Vargas like Tito did, sorry. This was prime vargas, the one who beat Quartey and has a W against Winky.(Notice how I said "has a W" and not "beat"). Maybe Oscar won more rounds against B-Hop but it only took one good shot from him and Oscar folded and decided he didn't want anymore.

Mously got seriously hurt by Forrest. Are you going to tell me that Forrest hits harder than Tito . Mously is also not a defensive minded fighter. He has alwais counted on his speed and power. Ha can get hit and get hit often. He has a good chin but he would not have taken Tito's punch for long. It would be similar to Tito against Read. Read's speed was giving Tito problems until he got caught. Then it was all over.