Quote Originally Posted by amat
That is absolutely absurd Bilbo. Israel Vazquez is a very good fighter? Have you even seen him fight? He's defeated very good opposition.

Oscar Larios gave Pacman a test, especially in their third round, and that was after moving up 2 divisions, and Isreal beat him I think 3 times. He also beat the very heavy handed Johnny Gonzalez..

Why are we even discussing this? Chambers has not 1 significant win, yet Vazquez has 4 top contenders on his record and he has beaten them, and he lost to a top guy in Marquez. Honestly Bilbo, have you actually seen these guys fight?
Yes I've seen them fight. I enjoy watching them, but in the same way as I enjoy watching bumfights or women's MMA.

@JuliasRain. I agree R Marquez could kick my ass but I'm not talking about him really. I'm talking about these minimum weight to bantamweight guys. The vast majority of them could be beat by a large proportion of athletes from other sports, do you not agree?

If Isreal Vaszquez was to fight a basketball star, an American football star, a track and field star etc my money would be on the other athlete as would most I suspect.

By the way I'm not saying that no little guy should ever be p4p what I'm saying is that if a little guy is truly p4p he needs to be able to move up the wieghts and beat all the other little guys.

Pacman, Barrera and both Marquez's have done that to a greater or lesser extent and I have no problems with them being on the list. But R Marquaez at number 3 is just too high.