The new ring rankings suck, and here's why!

[Kev]

Well then I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't rank to many of the lower weights to high with the exception of fighters like Rafael Marquez who have been through multiple divisions because the individual divisions are quite shallow sometimes, so it takes multiple divisions to be P4P. But...

What does Israel Vazquez have to do with anything? No one is saying he is a top 10 fighter right now, but to say you enjoy watching him fight like you do a bum is...I don't know what to say Bilbo. Have you seen him take on Jhonny Gonzalez? I mean that was no less impressive then any win by Cotto, Hatton or Castillo who all have the same stalking styles? I don't get it.

It's one thing to say you don't want to watch them because the lower weights don't appeal to you, but it's an entirely different thing to discredit them entirely based off of how big they are. I'm dumbfounded Bilbo I really am.

Ok maybe I was being a bit harsh. I don't mean to say they are talentless. What I mean is that because they are small people seem to value it more when they have a real tear up, you know the commentator will say how brave they are and what a fantastic show they are putting on etc in a way that they just don't with bigger fighters.

The bumfight comment was over the top I admit it and apologise but the reference to women's MMA or women's boxing for that matter isn't at all.

There are people on this thread who are lambasting me for being a fool and a heretic for daring to speak negatively about the little guys but I'm sure a healthy proportion of you all, and maybe some who have posted on this thread would be only to glad to denounce women's boxing as a travesty.

I know many of you hate woman's boxing but what makes them less deserving? Do they not show the same commitment? Do they not give 100% also?

So why the discrimination?

Why criticise me for saying that the real small guys fighting is something of a sideshow, a circus act if you will, whilst you could happily say the very same thing about women's boxing?

I'm sure there are women fighters out there who are extrememely talented and the bigger ones I have no doubt could beat some of the lower ranked men.

Should they be on the p4p list too and if not why not?

Cool click Bilbo - quality thread fella

Glad you enjoyed it, cc returned, my posts are very much love or hate it seems much like marmite

I do tend to agree with you on this one but not solely for the reasons you stated. I think the lower weight divisions are generally a bit of a grey area for a lot of boxing fans so if one commentator or writer likes a particular fighter, fans catch on purely relying on what they have been told by a third party. I get this impression with the Marquez brothers in the sense that most folk on here had them both top 5/6 p4p without really knowing much about their opposition.

Ah see someone who see what I'm getting at! It's all very well telling us that R Marquez has beating more Ring top 10 fighters than anyone else but how many of us have seen the opponents of all these Ring top 10 guys?

Only the big names are televised so unless you have access to East Asian Sports Central how you possibly going to know who these guys are?

I'm fairly sure that I'm correct when I say the vast majority of boxers fighting below bantamweight especially are part timers, as there just isn't the money to be made at those weights. Thats not to knock their commitment or potential but lets be honest there is a world of difference between Manchester United and Forest Green football clubs now isn't there?

Beating up on a host of part timers doesn't make you p4p. I know the elite guys, the ones we hear about, the R Marquez, I Vaszquez, Arce etc are all full time, but they are the stars, Most of their opponents arn't full time boxers it's just a fact.

Nobody makes the p4p list in the middleweight division for beating Antony Bonsante and they shouldn't be given that favouritism in the lower weights either.

I'm not saying that small fighters can't be p4p, Morales, Barrera etc they all deserve their spots. But to be p4p you need to have won titles in many wieght class imo.

Nobody EVER considers a heavyweight fighter for the p4p rankings, even someone like Klitschko who has beaten Ring top 10 fighters like Sam Peter twice, Chris Bryd and Calvin Brock because we are familiar with the current state of the heavies and know that the standard is low.

But if he would have the exact same results but in the 120 lb division he would be knocking on the p4p door, it just doesn't make sense to me.

a true p4p star would be able to beat any < 130 lb man imo, else they just ain't p4p.