How Many Big Punchers Have There Been That Haven't Been Chinny ??

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Punchers over commit thats the problem. Lewis didnt thats why he wasnt good to watch for excitement, Tyson when his technique went out the window so did his chin.

[WelshDevilRob]

Lennox Lewis had an Iron chin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SQmxIP5Bk

[ICB]

Julian Jackson.















Just kidding!!!!

Seriously, I'd mention Tyson, Foreman, Frazier.
At the lower weights, I'd say Aaron Pryor must be mentioned. Those right hands he ate from Alexis Arguello would've floored a small elephant. And Pryor could downright wallop!

I do agree but Pryor wasn't really a puncher yea he had a high ko record but that was due to him throwing like 100+ plus punches a round

[DaxxKahn]

Lennox Lewis had an Iron chin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SQmxIP5Bk

No Lennox had an underrated chin Not Iron.......He was not soft in the chin as some would like us to believe.....But his two 1 punch KO losses are always going to tarnish that.....But Lennox did have a good chin.....Just not Iron

[El Kabong]

Punchers over commit thats the problem. Lewis didnt thats why he wasnt good to watch for excitement, Tyson when his technique went out the window so did his chin.

Punchers over commit and they also stereotypically don't give 2 shits about defense.....ie George Foreman in his prime

[diamonddavestafford]

Ice did i give you the idea for this topic

Yes you did lol after you said about most punchers are chinny i thought id make a topic see how many people can think of.

Most punchers seem "chinny" as you say because to be considered a puncher you have to knock people out and to do that you have to set down on your punches and really "wing 'em" more to have that powerful, driving-through force or effect that will cause that KO. To do that, you expose more of your chin (and body) because you have to take that risk of engaging your opponent, then setting down and trying to punch through them and take them completely out; this style lends itself to giving up a lot on the defensive end as when u punch like that, you often telegraph it and u often leave yourself open for a little bit right after you throw for a counter-punch. This is why you dont see super-defensive fighters like, say, a Winky Wright (or Pernell Whitaker), ever considered as a puncher. He may very well hit hard enough to knock people out but he dont want to set down on his punch, give away any openings to be counter-punched or to expose that chin or body to being hit by his opponent. He may be very very "chinny" himself , but his defense is so tight that you wont see any one hit him clean enough ever to get him right on the button; he's just too careful to take that risk.

"Punchers" tend to take those big risks- to get the big knockout; usually in a swarming, super-aggressive style, engaging right away, setting down, and winging big punches at their opponent with deadly (but with often not defensively-minded) intentions. When they throw these punches and leave themselves open for counterpunches that can sometimes land brutally and effectively, resulting in a KO, and these "punchers" can be deemed "chinny" even when it may have taken hundreds more punches to knock them out than it would, say, a Winky Wright-like fighter, who stays defensive, DOES NOT GET HIT by those counters as easily, and wins on points, down the stretch.

The puncher may have a much more granite chin, but he doesnt cover up (and when u commit to throwing a big punch it takes longer to get the hands back and cover the chin and vital KO-areas up) and ends up taking 300 or so clean big counters (where as the defensive guy if he wanted to try to fight the same way as the puncher might only be able to take 35 clean big ones); what im saying is, these "punchers" put themselves in the position to be hit because of the fact that they are "punchers" they go in swinging in a high risk, gunfighter style. Therefore, throughout their careers, they are KOed more than other more defensive, strategic and careful fighters who have dropped just as many decision losses but just have not been stopped enough to be considered "chinny". They very well may have the worst and weakest chin in the business but were careful enough and had a tight enough defense not to take the risk of giving their opponents too many opportunities to get clean shots at it; whereas the puncher's style, by definition, basically puts it's wielder in full risk of giving opponents the opportunity to land clean counters and risk being knocked out by them. And let's face it, if u get knocked out too many times or in too brutal a fashion too many times, you will be looked upon as "chinny"...

[bigragu]

Gerald Mc

George Foreman

Rocky Marciano

Can you think of anymore ??

Hagler....

[WelshDevilRob]

Punchers over commit thats the problem. Lewis didnt thats why he wasnt good to watch for excitement, Tyson when his technique went out the window so did his chin.

Punchers over commit and they also stereotypically don't give 2 shits about defense.....ie George Foreman in his prime

Foreman vs Lyle and Lyle vs Shavers are both great examples of that

[Dark Lord Al]

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[RozzySean]

Ice did i give you the idea for this topic

Yes you did lol after you said about most punchers are chinny i thought id make a topic see how many people can think of.

Most punchers seem "chinny" as you say because to be considered a puncher you have to knock people out and to do that you have to set down on your punches and really "wing 'em" more to have that powerful, driving-through force or effect that will cause that KO. To do that, you expose more of your chin (and body) because you have to take that risk of engaging your opponent, then setting down and trying to punch through them and take them completely out; this style lends itself to giving up a lot on the defensive end as when u punch like that, you often telegraph it and u often leave yourself open for a little bit right after you throw for a counter-punch. This is why you dont see super-defensive fighters like, say, a Winky Wright (or Pernell Whitaker), ever considered as a puncher. He may very well hit hard enough to knock people out but he dont want to set down on his punch, give away any openings to be counter-punched or to expose that chin or body to being hit by his opponent. He may be very very "chinny" himself , but his defense is so tight that you wont see any one hit him clean enough ever to get him right on the button; he's just too careful to take that risk.

"Punchers" tend to take those big risks- to get the big knockout; usually in a swarming, super-aggressive style, engaging right away, setting down, and winging big punches at their opponent with deadly (but with often not defensively-minded) intentions. When they throw these punches and leave themselves open for counterpunches that can sometimes land brutally and effectively, resulting in a KO, and these "punchers" can be deemed "chinny" even when it may have taken hundreds more punches to knock them out than it would, say, a Winky Wright-like fighter, who stays defensive, DOES NOT GET HIT by those counters as easily, and wins on points, down the stretch.

The puncher may have a much more granite chin, but he doesnt cover up (and when u commit to throwing a big punch it takes longer to get the hands back and cover the chin and vital KO-areas up) and ends up taking 300 or so clean big counters (where as the defensive guy if he wanted to try to fight the same way as the puncher might only be able to take 35 clean big ones); what im saying is, these "punchers" put themselves in the position to be hit because of the fact that they are "punchers" they go in swinging in a high risk, gunfighter style. Therefore, throughout their careers, they are KOed more than other more defensive, strategic and careful fighters who have dropped just as many decision losses but just have not been stopped enough to be considered "chinny". They very well may have the worst and weakest chin in the business but were careful enough and had a tight enough defense not to take the risk of giving their opponents too many opportunities to get clean shots at it; whereas the puncher's style, by definition, basically puts it's wielder in full risk of giving opponents the opportunity to land clean counters and risk being knocked out by them. And let's face it, if u get knocked out too many times or in too brutal a fashion too many times, you will be looked upon as "chinny"...

True, true. Great post. CC. People probably rated Roy Jones as having a chin until he slowed down enough that he was able to be hit. I'm still not sure if Floyd has a chin or if he just never, ever gets hit flush. Maybe it's both.

Forman and Marciano both had great chins. Hagler had one of the best.

[X]

James J Jeffries and Jess Willard both kiilled men in the ring and racked up many many knockouts.

They also both took a fearful beating when it was their turn (versus Johnson and Dempsey respectively)... especially Willard !

[Taeth]

Tyson, Ibeabuchi, Duran.

[spanky-banky]

im not sure i say frazier? i mean he did have good chin but not iron! he took ali's best but ali's not a big puncher. and frazier copped a hiding from foreman....he would have thought!
id say holyfield had the hardest chin in the history of the sport! the guy was a freak of nature. while he wasnt the hardest puncher but he didnt hit like a girl either

[Julius Rain]

PACMAN HAS AN IRON CHIN NOW

[ICB]

im not sure i say frazier? i mean he did have good chin but not iron! he took ali's best but ali's not a big puncher. and frazier copped a hiding from foreman....he would have thought!
id say holyfield had the hardest chin in the history of the sport! the guy was a freak of nature. while he wasnt the hardest puncher but he didnt hit like a girl either

And he still got up some of those punches he was taking from Foreman would of knocked most of hw division out the uppercut that lifted him off his feet was frightening and he still got up.