Media mainstream sportscenter starts show with mma vs boxing debate

[amat]

Well thank you all for ignoring my post that took me a half fucking hour to type up I can't even find it now













But seriously, I don't agree with the UFC's angle of "we're overtaking boxing", but it's views like the ones in this topic that are feeding that fire. Slighting the UFC or MMA does no good. And The Ultimate Fighter is miles better then the Contender. Look at it this way, TUF got millions of fans to MMA, did the Contender do the same for boxing? Of course there is the whole issue of demographics when arguing just what is more popular in the states but you get my point.

[JT Rock]

Well thank you all for ignoring my post that took me a half F****** hour to type up I can't even find it now













But seriously, I don't agree with the UFC's angle of "we're overtaking boxing", but it's views like the ones in this topic that are feeding that fire. Slighting the UFC or MMA does no good. And The Ultimate Fighter is miles better then the Contender. Look at it this way, TUF got millions of fans to MMA, did the Contender do the same for boxing? Of course there is the whole issue of demographics when arguing just what is more popular in the states but you get my point.

Adam, I have maintained all along that entertainment value is subjective so if you dont like it fine by me.. You dont see me trying to cram it down other peoples throat.. The problem that I have is when people make biggoted statements and downgrade the ACTUAL skill it takes to compete and degrade their efforts. its bullshit!!!

The Gracie family did it right years ago and settled things the traditional way, if you have a problem with my art then lets settle it style to style and see who's better they would go to a Judo studio etc and challenge or accept a challenge.... Well needless to say alot of people got broken limbs and respect beaten into them....

[amat]

Yeah I know that. It is subjective, just like boxing is subjective. But the thing that gets me is, a football fan who doesn't like boxing doesn't call boxing illegitimate. So why do boxing fans call MMA illegitimate. I'm not a fan of figure skating myself, but I do recognize the skill and the dedication it takes. Why boxing fans can't do the same with MMA, even if they don't like watching it, is beyond me.

[El Kabong]

I was harsh on MMA earlier....I just don't think it's for me, I don't like it never have never will. And I think people will overwhelmingly rather watch a good boxing match than a good MMA match.

But in comparing the two it's like comparing Chess to Checkers, same basic principle but totally different games

[VictorCharlie]

Lyle at least be some what informed
Randy Couture is the HW champ not Tim Sylvia
Chuck is a LHW not hw
Title fights are five 5 minute rounds

What a whopping 3 rounds.Boxers used to 15 rounds until 1984 when Ray boom boom Mancini killed Duk Koo Kim after a vicious right hand to the chin he later went into a coma and died.Ive never scene or hered someone dying in MMA.3 five minute rounds is 15 minutes. 12,3 minute round is well over double that fifteen rounder where three times that. You cant compare
boxing and MMA. Boxers are clearly more well conditioned and by far way more superior as strikers with there hand. MMA is clearly more superior with the ground game and the martial arts.I just happen to preferr boxing. I know guys who do MMA and I cant stand a single one of them from there crappy attitudes to there terrible tribal tattoos.

So its not about a fighters athleticism or skills....your arguments have denigrated to ragging on a whole group of atheletes b/c of their tattoos and percieved attitudes? There is a word for intolerant people who make broad sweepping generalizations and stereotypes....bigot

-1 right back at yeah. For one its not a intolerant opinion on the stereotypical generalizing of these men.....if you can call them men. I'm sure you watch The Ultimate Fighter on spike TV. Those jagoffs are so low class they cant keep it in the ring.They will fight in the house of the man that will maybee be signing their paychecks.And no one gets in between before something happens.All I see is wrestlers you are full of them self's who cant throw or take a punch.There hands aren't fast enough to slap a guy with a left hook or a short upper cut when he tries to chute.Those shows are full of them.Watch the first and second contender and compare them to the Chris Lebins who urinate on peoples pillows and get drunk and make complete idiots of them self's.Hell, compare the two houses and get back with me. Another thing I'm not a bigot. I'm from Ohio not Texas.

So once again your are going to make a stereotype about a sport based on a television show with 16 fighters on it? You could make the same arguments about boxers. There is no shortage of boxers in the news due to drug and legal issues. Just b/c Contender glosses over life with its over production doesn't mean boxing as a sport doesn't have the same warts that humanity has in general. Your opinion about MMA fighters skills is pretty much w/o merit. You obviously make no attempt to be objective about it, and have never trained in it . Your geographic location doesn't absolve you from sounding like a bigot either.

[Unknowndonor]

I love boxing, and I am a fan of MMA. I don't like what the UFC is doing though. I understand Dana White is a business man, and trying to make money, but he sounds like Vince McMahon. Sure boxing has had some shady decisions, but so has the UFC. Any fighter that doesn't have a big contract, and has a close fight with a fighter that does, get's shafted. That way ratings stay high because of the big names. and Dana doesn't have to pay another big contract. Now he sounds like Don King lol. Can't see how he thinks the UFC is better than boxing under those circumstances, when they are just as corrupt, maybe more. Dana White is all about money, period. I take my hat off to him for the hype-machine they are creating, but the fact remains, people who like boxing will stick with boxing, and people who like the UFC, will stick with the UFC. And some of us will watch both.

Hey, more power to the UFC for trying what they can. I'd definately rather watch the UFC than WWE, but boxing is not going away, sorry. Just my opinion.

I remeber Vince McMahon being asked how his wrestling empire compared to Ted Turner's, "That's wrastlin, we are Sports Entertainment", sounds kinda like Dana white.

[Kev]

Lyle at least be some what informed
Randy Couture is the HW champ not Tim Sylvia
Chuck is a LHW not hw
Title fights are five 5 minute rounds

What a whopping 3 rounds.Boxers used to 15 rounds until 1984 when Ray boom boom Mancini killed Duk Koo Kim after a vicious right hand to the chin he later went into a coma and died.Ive never scene or hered someone dying in MMA.3 five minute rounds is 15 minutes. 12,3 minute round is well over double that fifteen rounder where three times that. You cant compare
boxing and MMA. Boxers are clearly more well conditioned and by far way more superior as strikers with there hand. MMA is clearly more superior with the ground game and the martial arts.I just happen to preferr boxing. I know guys who do MMA and I cant stand a single one of them from there crappy attitudes to there terrible tribal tattoos.

So its not about a fighters athleticism or skills....your arguments have denigrated to ragging on a whole group of atheletes b/c of their tattoos and percieved attitudes? There is a word for intolerant people who make broad sweepping generalizations and stereotypes....bigot

-1 right back at yeah. For one its not a intolerant opinion on the stereotypical generalizing of these men.....if you can call them men. I'm sure you watch The Ultimate Fighter on spike TV. Those jagoffs are so low class they cant keep it in the ring.They will fight in the house of the man that will maybee be signing their paychecks.And no one gets in between before something happens.All I see is wrestlers you are full of them self's who cant throw or take a punch.There hands aren't fast enough to slap a guy with a left hook or a short upper cut when he tries to chute.Those shows are full of them.Watch the first and second contender and compare them to the Chris Lebins who urinate on peoples pillows and get drunk and make complete idiots of them self's.Hell, compare the two houses and get back with me. Another thing I'm not a bigot. I'm from Ohio not Texas.

So once again your are going to make a stereotype about a sport based on a television show with 16 fighters on it? You could make the same arguments about boxers. There is no shortage of boxers in the news due to drug and legal issues. Just b/c Contender glosses over life with its over production doesn't mean boxing as a sport doesn't have the same warts that humanity has in general. Your opinion about MMA fighters skills is pretty much w/o merit. You obviously make no attempt to be objective about it, and have never trained in it . Your geographic location doesn't absolve you from sounding like a bigot either.

I woudn't bother trying to explain it to him vanchilds I think he's just an idiot.

You have to laugh though if he thinks the Contender guys were more noble than the guys on UFC

The Contender show was completely and utterly fake whilst the Ultimate Fighter is real life.
Anyone who knows boxing and follows the fighters knows that post Contender those guys have been talking all kinds of shit about each other. Ishe and Tarrick had a classy little war of words on boxingtalk with Tarrick calling Ishe a mental and saying he would beat him up if he saw him in the street and Ishe saying he'd kick Tarrick's ass. Ishe also called Jesse Brinkley a fag saying he should have been in Brokeback Mountain with his lover Manfredo and posted his sparring sessions with Manfredo all over the net.

Meanwhile the host Sly Stallone gets busted and charged for smuggling growth hormones.

All of that 'reality' is covered up though as they present their own 'reality' on the show.

The Ultimate Fighter show just records it all as it is.

[southakron314]

Lyle at least be some what informed
Randy Couture is the HW champ not Tim Sylvia
Chuck is a LHW not hw
Title fights are five 5 minute rounds

What a whopping 3 rounds.Boxers used to 15 rounds until 1984 when Ray boom boom Mancini killed Duk Koo Kim after a vicious right hand to the chin he later went into a coma and died.Ive never scene or hered someone dying in MMA.3 five minute rounds is 15 minutes. 12,3 minute round is well over double that fifteen rounder where three times that. You cant compare
boxing and MMA. Boxers are clearly more well conditioned and by far way more superior as strikers with there hand. MMA is clearly more superior with the ground game and the martial arts.I just happen to preferr boxing. I know guys who do MMA and I cant stand a single one of them from there crappy attitudes to there terrible tribal tattoos.

So its not about a fighters athleticism or skills....your arguments have denigrated to ragging on a whole group of atheletes b/c of their tattoos and percieved attitudes? There is a word for intolerant people who make broad sweepping generalizations and stereotypes....bigot

No worries Van Man.. Me and you have been on Saddo's for about the same time.... And trying to educate people against there predjudices, Ignorance and falsehoods against MMA is futile.... MOst people who put down MMA dont know a gotdam thing about it and wind up looking like complete A-Holes to people who know the ins and outs of the sport. Entertainment value is always subjective and thats fine but, when people are just straight up idiotic and lacking real perception, I just dont waste my time anymore. If they want to sound like uneducated street urchins thats fine by me

So you watch the lastest t.v series of this show and agree these guys fighting in the house provided by the owner of UFC are class acts.I'm sorry to so idiotic and so ignorant to say these perfect gentlemen are complete jerks.God send me to the fiery pits for having such a biased opinion on something that is so obvious.

Thanks for the I wont retaliate though But who gives a flying fuk if they hump pigeons in the park during there freetime... What the hell does it have to do with their skill set and abiltiy to take a punch... Are you for real I'm covered in tats and train in MMA so when you offend the sport you are offending me.. Tell you what I dare you to tell Leban what you think of him and the sport he dedicates himself, trains and bleeds..

I'm sure he would do the same that I would.. See what your really made of and if you are even in a position to run your yap

9x out of 10 the critics are nothing more than keyboard jockeys that think they know something because they saw it on TV or they know someone who trains, so it makes them a tough guy and an expert

Baby any day.. I will say what I think to any man.I'm not the biggest dude.6' 220. But well all bleed red baby.I boxed for 10 years. Kenmore boxing club and then goodshepards gym on Howard street. My father was a small time ham and egger pro welter weight .He wasnt the greatest pro. He only had 19 fights.He was 11-7-1.But he is besides the point. I gave an opinion you are the one talking in a tone that seems like wrath like .If Leban was here I would tell him what how he can be a little more classy and less trashy.I guarantee he would have a tough time taking me on my feet.I swat harder than he dose. I guarantee you that. He would probablly have to take me down and work his game and choke me out.I was a amateur from 8 years till I was 18.I won a silver glove at 120. I have knocked kids out with headgear on. My son is 5 years old and is going to the gym allready.So don't put down what you don't know or understand. Because I know and understand MMA guys. My cousin dose it and my wife's ex boyfriend dose it. And if you ask me they are both a complete waste of Oxygen. Then I see what these so called men do on T.v .Of all places the home that is provided to them by the owner of the company.The best education I got was on the streets. Hopefully you never had to fight your way in and out of neighborhoods in Connecticut. In urban Akron's dirty south side you do. I used to carry a cue ball stuffed in a sock for protection when I was 12.You have to do what you have to do.I still live in Akron but in a different area but still in the south side non the less. I have been slashed with a knife shot at, jumped, I have even had a dog sicked on me during a street fight.So don't tell me what for.Im sure you are a decent man an hopefully you can understand where Im coming from.True....I had 3 best freinds growing up.1 is still alive.Alan deceded to taste test a buck shot and Marcus was murdered in his sleep by his neighboor for drug money.I hate my past.I don't ever want that for my child or even yours if you have any its not fun. I do not wish that upon any man if I agree with him or not.

[Trainer Monkey]

wow trainer monkey you have made many gay refrences and have gone out of your way to tell us you have a wife I think you should get ahold of your phobia. biblo, van I think that in many cases physical ability has dominated boxing as well George Forman was not technically sound and Ive heard many boxing anylists say that Ali got away with pulling straight back only becouse of his speed, and there are many other examples. So this mascarade of perfection that boxing puts on is crap, the concept of boxing is perfect but I have seen very few who come close. I believe that there is a perfect concept for MMA as well, there is a counter for every move and there are opptions from every position Fador moves seemlesly from one situation to the next thats what makes mma great, its the mental game to stay ahead of your apponent. The difference is like boxing is playing chess with only pawns a queen and castles where mma is using all the pieces. And it just seems like monkey cant wrap his brain around that

Yawn
Ive tried repeatedly to watch,and gave it yet one more chance last night
Bigger yawn
If you like it,enjoy
But the odds of that side show overtaking a legitimate sport are slim and nill
And slim just left town
It isnt going to be overtaking the WWE any time soon,for that matter

[Kev]

wow trainer monkey you have made many gay refrences and have gone out of your way to tell us you have a wife I think you should get ahold of your phobia. biblo, van I think that in many cases physical ability has dominated boxing as well George Forman was not technically sound and Ive heard many boxing anylists say that Ali got away with pulling straight back only becouse of his speed, and there are many other examples. So this mascarade of perfection that boxing puts on is crap, the concept of boxing is perfect but I have seen very few who come close. I believe that there is a perfect concept for MMA as well, there is a counter for every move and there are opptions from every position Fador moves seemlesly from one situation to the next thats what makes mma great, its the mental game to stay ahead of your apponent. The difference is like boxing is playing chess with only pawns a queen and castles where mma is using all the pieces. And it just seems like monkey cant wrap his brain around that

Yawn
Ive tried repeatedly to watch,and gave it yet one more chance last night
Bigger yawn
If you like it,enjoy
But the odds of that side show overtaking a legitimate sport are slim and nill
And slim just left town
It isnt going to be overtaking the WWE any time soon,for that matter

hehe how little you know. It's already bigger than WWE. It takes more per year in PPV revenue than boxing already as well so shows what you know.

It will continue to grow. Boxing is still the greatest sport for now, but if they don't sort out their failings and transform the sport into how it should be it will definitely be second fiddle to MMA within another decade.

[Trainer Monkey]

Actually that was total for MMA
Not just UFC,but all of the above
To get a proper total for wrestling,youd have to add in TNA,ECW,etc,etc
Shows what you know,I guess
As far as boxing,how many good PPV's have there been?
Oh yeah,my wife works for Dish Network
They have to put on extra staff when two Mexican fighters are on a PPV
Yet somehow they havent ever had to do that for a UFC event
Again,shows what you know

[El Kabong]

Boxing has survived a long time for a reason....it's good, let's not forget boxing is one of the oldest sports ever.

Things need to be fixed in boxing but hell UFC ain't big enough to have problems yet, enjoy your moment in the sun but you need to keep hard at work to not get burned up while you're there.

Boxing needs 1 champion per divison and it needs better fights

UFC much like "The X-Games" is not even on the same level...sure they are competitive sports but fucking hell....I think I'll lock myself in a room and create a game.....oooh Basketball on Rollerblades! It's coming and it'll take over the NBA!!!!!

If Boxing can survive Kung Fu, Wrestling, and Roller Derby then it'll have no problem with UFC

[amat]

In boxing's defense, the UFC had 4 more PPV's in 2006 then HBO did. And 2 more then WWE. So all of the PPVs got around the same number of viewers. UFC got 220 mil on 14 shows, while HBO PPV got 176 million on 10 shows. I'm not going to do the math but in my head I think that's an average of 16 million for both.

[Trainer Monkey]

And to add to that
American Idol is incredibly popular
But somehow Id rather watch a musician who has a clue what theyre doing instead

[skyler]

I think it's idiotic how both Rogan and Dibella feel the need to prove one sport is better than the other, or moreso, why people here try to do the same thing. Fight fans can like boxing, or MMA, or both. I like both. I don't think it's really even competitive, but they really complement each other. Like for instance in recent years where there would be a long stretch we'd have to wait between blockbuster boxing ppvs, UFC now in a way fills in the blanks, (Liddell-Jackson coming in between DLH-Mayweather and Judah-Cotto). And for those who bash UFC, they at least have their most dominant fighter also happening to be their most exciting fighter (Liddell), and as Brian Kenny pointed out yesterday, boxing hasn't had that since Tyson in the 80s.