Tszyu vs Cotto

[CFH]

I'd have to go with Tszyu, if Tszyu was able to hit Cotto flush once or twice like Urkal did all through out their fight, then it's good night Miguel. I'm not saying this because I like or dislike either fighter, but KT hit like a bastard and Cotto was hurt and dropped by Torres (who admittedly packs a punch), and I think KT, if he hurt Cotto like that, would finish the job.
KT by mid round TKO in my opinion.

[zhubin]

Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

LMAO at this guy getting all mad

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

[skyler]

Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

LMAO at this guy getting all mad

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

Dude, give me a break with the 'ideal conditions'. The referree didn't make Kostya quit. The referree didn't beat him into submission, Hatton did. I think it's hysterical that people will try to make excuses for a guy on the account that 'his opponent fought too rough .

[THE THIRD MAN]

Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

LMAO at this guy getting all mad

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

Dude, give me a break with the 'ideal conditions'. The referree didn't make Kostya quit. The referree didn't beat him into submission, Hatton did. I think it's hysterical that people will try to make excuses for a guy on the account that 'his opponent fought too rough .

Hatton did hit him in the balls in round 9 effectively ending the fight there. Should have been DQ'd!!

[zhubin]

The referee in that fight was a disgrace. Sure, that's not the only reason Tszyu lost..and credit has to be given to Hatton for fighting a rough/pressure fight...but there is no question in my mind that that was no where close to a prime Tszyu. Add to that the referee, the home crowd, and a younger/fresher opponent...and you had that result.

[El Gamo]

KT beats weight drianed Cotto at 140 via KO. As for Hatton,he would beat a prime Tszyu.Why?Styles make fights. Vince Phillips also beat Tszyu with a similar style,just bum rush him,don't give him space to breathe.Hatton would use that same style with a prime Tszyu and would win imo.

[Fightman]

Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

This is all bollocks, you could make an argument 9/10 for a fighter being "not in his prime". Hatton beat Kostya hands down, no excsues came from Kostya. Hatton was better on the night, both were well prepared. End of. As for the question to the thread, Tszyu would destroy Cotto

[SweetPea]

Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

This is all bollocks, you could make an argument 9/10 for a fighter being "not in his prime". Hatton beat Kostya hands down, no excsues came from Kostya. Hatton was better on the night, both were well prepared. End of. As for the question to the thread, Tszyu would destroy Cotto

I never said that Hatton didn't beat Tszyu hands down, and I never said that Hatton wasn't the better man that night. You are arguing with yourself here.

[ICB]

KT beats weight drianed Cotto at 140 via KO. As for Hatton,he would beat a prime Tszyu.Why?Styles make fights. Vince Phillips also beat Tszyu with a similar style,just bum rush him,don't give him space to breathe.Hatton would use that same style with a prime Tszyu and would win imo.

Exactly Phillips just kept coming at Kostya and eventually broke him up and that was Kostyas prime.

[skyler]

Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

LMAO at this guy getting all mad

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

Dude, give me a break with the 'ideal conditions'. The referree didn't make Kostya quit. The referree didn't beat him into submission, Hatton did. I think it's hysterical that people will try to make excuses for a guy on the account that 'his opponent fought too rough .

Hatton did hit him in the balls in round 9 effectively ending the fight there. Should have been DQ'd!!

Um, in case you forgot, it was a retalitory low blow, as Kostya crushed Hatton in the nutts right before

[skyler]

The referee in that fight was a disgrace. Sure, that's not the only reason Tszyu lost..and credit has to be given to Hatton for fighting a rough/pressure fight...but there is no question in my mind that that was no where close to a prime Tszyu. Add to that the referee, the home crowd, and a younger/fresher opponent...and you had that result.

The home crowd had an effect on Kostya If a fighter actually let's a crowd get to him during a fight, much less a fight where he is defending his title, the fighter isn't all that mentally strong to begin with . I don't remember those rabid British fans bothering Tyson too bad when he went over to England and beat the sh!t out of Frank Bruno

[ICB]

The referee in that fight was a disgrace. Sure, that's not the only reason Tszyu lost..and credit has to be given to Hatton for fighting a rough/pressure fight...but there is no question in my mind that that was no where close to a prime Tszyu. Add to that the referee, the home crowd, and a younger/fresher opponent...and you had that result.

The home crowd had an effect on Kostya If a fighter actually let's a crowd get to him during a fight, much less a fight where he is defending his title, the fighter isn't all that mentally strong to begin with . I don't remember those rabid British fans bothering Tyson too bad when he went over to England and beat the sh!t out of Frank Bruno

They fought both times in USA.

[skyler]

The referee in that fight was a disgrace. Sure, that's not the only reason Tszyu lost..and credit has to be given to Hatton for fighting a rough/pressure fight...but there is no question in my mind that that was no where close to a prime Tszyu. Add to that the referee, the home crowd, and a younger/fresher opponent...and you had that result.

The home crowd had an effect on Kostya If a fighter actually let's a crowd get to him during a fight, much less a fight where he is defending his title, the fighter isn't all that mentally strong to begin with . I don't remember those rabid British fans bothering Tyson too bad when he went over to England and beat the sh!t out of Frank Bruno

They fought both times in USA.

Allow me to call myself a retard

[ICB]

The referee in that fight was a disgrace. Sure, that's not the only reason Tszyu lost..and credit has to be given to Hatton for fighting a rough/pressure fight...but there is no question in my mind that that was no where close to a prime Tszyu. Add to that the referee, the home crowd, and a younger/fresher opponent...and you had that result.

The home crowd had an effect on Kostya If a fighter actually let's a crowd get to him during a fight, much less a fight where he is defending his title, the fighter isn't all that mentally strong to begin with . I don't remember those rabid British fans bothering Tyson too bad when he went over to England and beat the sh!t out of Frank Bruno

They fought both times in USA.

Allow me to call myself a retard

No need bro was just letting you know.

[Puya]

My official Post over this thread will come after June 9

there is no doubt Judah will come to this fight Ready he is more pump for this fight than the PFB fight.

SO let's see who wins and How