Calzagher vs Kessler off. Calzaghe vs Mundine on!!

[superheavyrhun]

Super middleweight isn't even a real division to start with but for the sake of arguing i'll say that the welterweight division is much better.

Whilst I disagree with your view of the SMW division, I also don't think that it is the best division of all, not from a long way. There has been a dearth of real talent there, while most of the big names who have gone up have barely registered at SMW, seeing Light Heavy as the place to make big bucks. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins being the ones I have in mind.

Fighting opponents like Sam Soliman and Danny Green to take the IBF version of the belt does not attest to a great amount of depth in a division in my opinion, and the sooner Mundine gets whooped by a proper contender, like Bute, Lacy or Pascal, then the better for the division IMO.

[Snakey]

*CUE SUPER HERO MUSIC* NEVER FEAR, SNAKEY IS HERE! *End super hero music*

Woah guys Calzaghe seems to have a lot of guys here who can comfort him if his gf or something is away on business or something No offence to anyone here but all this calzaghe nut hugging....kind of reminds me of royal and kessler. May i ask what you guys base your opinions on with calzaghe? His one big fight with lacy? Someone imo who was overhyped anyway. I picked lacy to lose by UD coz i knew he was gonna get his head boxed off, so dont call me a hater. But cmon guys, calzaghe has been less then impressive in his last two fights. He should of had bika out of there within a couple of rounds, yet bika gave him a hard fight. Manfredo should of been out of there in the first two rounds for sure. You wanna say mundine has no chance...mundine is better than bika and manfredo combined. Wake up and smell the tea poms, mundine might not be the best ever or the best in the world but hes a threat to your man! OMG CALZAGHE OUTBOXED LACY! WOW! Mundine outboxed danny green! Same kind of thing, big hyped fight, big hitters...the big hitters got outboxed. Now i think if sam soliman had of fought joe then joe prob would of won a close decision....mundine knocked him the fuck out not long ago with laser right hand of his. Whats gonna happen if mundine lands that right hand on Joeys chin...wouldnt that be interesting and whats gonna happen when joe realises mundine shits all over him in the speed department? Hey im not saying mundine would whoop your man, im not even saying he would win for sure but my only point is stop thinking calzaghe is fuckin unbeatable coz he aint. He aint god, he aint anything above an ordinary human, meaning he has flaws and meaning he can be beaten. So enough of the calzaghe cant be beat talk coz everyone can be beat, its only a matter of getting hit in the right place and good timing.


*Waiting to be over run by poms and calzaghe fans

[ICB]

*CUE SUPER HERO MUSIC* NEVER FEAR, SNAKEY IS HERE! *End super hero music*

Woah guys Calzaghe seems to have a lot of guys here who can comfort him if his gf or something is away on business or something No offence to anyone here but all this calzaghe nut hugging....kind of reminds me of royal and kessler. May i ask what you guys base your opinions on with calzaghe? His one big fight with lacy? Someone imo who was overhyped anyway. I picked lacy to lose by UD coz i knew he was gonna get his head boxed off, so dont call me a hater. But cmon guys, calzaghe has been less then impressive in his last two fights. He should of had bika out of there within a couple of rounds, yet bika gave him a hard fight. Manfredo should of been out of there in the first two rounds for sure. You wanna say mundine has no chance...mundine is better than bika and manfredo combined. Wake up and smell the tea poms, mundine might not be the best ever or the best in the world but hes a threat to your man! OMG CALZAGHE OUTBOXED LACY! WOW! Mundine outboxed danny green! Same kind of thing, big hyped fight, big hitters...the big hitters got outboxed. Now i think if sam soliman had of fought joe then joe prob would of won a close decision....mundine knocked him the F*** out not long ago with laser right hand of his. Whats gonna happen if mundine lands that right hand on Joeys chin...wouldnt that be interesting and whats gonna happen when joe realises mundine shits all over him in the speed department? Hey im not saying mundine would whoop your man, im not even saying he would win for sure but my only point is stop thinking calzaghe is F****** unbeatable coz he aint. He aint god, he aint anything above an ordinary human, meaning he has flaws and meaning he can be beaten. So enough of the calzaghe cant be beat talk coz everyone can be beat, its only a matter of getting hit in the right place and good timing.


*Waiting to be over run by poms and calzaghe fans

When has there been one Calzaghe nut hugging in this thread ?? he is talented his opposition hasn't been great but this thread is more to do with Mundine and this guy thinking he can beat everyone at Supermiddleweight then unify at Middleweight

[Snakey]

*CUE SUPER HERO MUSIC* NEVER FEAR, SNAKEY IS HERE! *End super hero music*

Woah guys Calzaghe seems to have a lot of guys here who can comfort him if his gf or something is away on business or something No offence to anyone here but all this calzaghe nut hugging....kind of reminds me of royal and kessler. May i ask what you guys base your opinions on with calzaghe? His one big fight with lacy? Someone imo who was overhyped anyway. I picked lacy to lose by UD coz i knew he was gonna get his head boxed off, so dont call me a hater. But cmon guys, calzaghe has been less then impressive in his last two fights. He should of had bika out of there within a couple of rounds, yet bika gave him a hard fight. Manfredo should of been out of there in the first two rounds for sure. You wanna say mundine has no chance...mundine is better than bika and manfredo combined. Wake up and smell the tea poms, mundine might not be the best ever or the best in the world but hes a threat to your man! OMG CALZAGHE OUTBOXED LACY! WOW! Mundine outboxed danny green! Same kind of thing, big hyped fight, big hitters...the big hitters got outboxed. Now i think if sam soliman had of fought joe then joe prob would of won a close decision....mundine knocked him the F*** out not long ago with laser right hand of his. Whats gonna happen if mundine lands that right hand on Joeys chin...wouldnt that be interesting and whats gonna happen when joe realises mundine shits all over him in the speed department? Hey im not saying mundine would whoop your man, im not even saying he would win for sure but my only point is stop thinking calzaghe is F****** unbeatable coz he aint. He aint god, he aint anything above an ordinary human, meaning he has flaws and meaning he can be beaten. So enough of the calzaghe cant be beat talk coz everyone can be beat, its only a matter of getting hit in the right place and good timing.


*Waiting to be over run by poms and calzaghe fans

When has there been one Calzaghe nut hugging in this thread ?? he is talented his opposition hasn't been great but this thread is more to do with Mundine and this guy thinking he can beat everyone at Supermiddleweight then unify at Middleweight

Well the fact you and others in this thread dont even give mundine a chance just kind of insinuates nut hugging. Dude i should know, before i took my absence from this forum i was a tszyu nuthugger and i admit it. But im a changed man, back to my unbiased self. Anyway back to the point, if you dont think mundine is a threat then you need a reality check my friend. Calzaghes had one big fight, hes proven himself a total of...once against really world class opposition (imo lacy aint that great but oh well). What makes mundine think he can do what he says, fuck the guy is cocky. He says shit, even i admit that. I wish he would shut his mouth, he prob cant do what he says he can. But he only says that shit to piss people off, this way people buy tickets to his fights so they can see him get his head knocked off. Its a very effective way of selling tickets, look at the mundine green fight. If he hadnt of pissed people off so much then that fight would of happened on a jeff fenech fight night for shit all money. Instead coz of his mouth, this was a big fight and they both got a couple of mil for it.

[ICB]

*CUE SUPER HERO MUSIC* NEVER FEAR, SNAKEY IS HERE! *End super hero music*

Woah guys Calzaghe seems to have a lot of guys here who can comfort him if his gf or something is away on business or something No offence to anyone here but all this calzaghe nut hugging....kind of reminds me of royal and kessler. May i ask what you guys base your opinions on with calzaghe? His one big fight with lacy? Someone imo who was overhyped anyway. I picked lacy to lose by UD coz i knew he was gonna get his head boxed off, so dont call me a hater. But cmon guys, calzaghe has been less then impressive in his last two fights. He should of had bika out of there within a couple of rounds, yet bika gave him a hard fight. Manfredo should of been out of there in the first two rounds for sure. You wanna say mundine has no chance...mundine is better than bika and manfredo combined. Wake up and smell the tea poms, mundine might not be the best ever or the best in the world but hes a threat to your man! OMG CALZAGHE OUTBOXED LACY! WOW! Mundine outboxed danny green! Same kind of thing, big hyped fight, big hitters...the big hitters got outboxed. Now i think if sam soliman had of fought joe then joe prob would of won a close decision....mundine knocked him the F*** out not long ago with laser right hand of his. Whats gonna happen if mundine lands that right hand on Joeys chin...wouldnt that be interesting and whats gonna happen when joe realises mundine shits all over him in the speed department? Hey im not saying mundine would whoop your man, im not even saying he would win for sure but my only point is stop thinking calzaghe is F****** unbeatable coz he aint. He aint god, he aint anything above an ordinary human, meaning he has flaws and meaning he can be beaten. So enough of the calzaghe cant be beat talk coz everyone can be beat, its only a matter of getting hit in the right place and good timing.


*Waiting to be over run by poms and calzaghe fans

When has there been one Calzaghe nut hugging in this thread ?? he is talented his opposition hasn't been great but this thread is more to do with Mundine and this guy thinking he can beat everyone at Supermiddleweight then unify at Middleweight

Well the fact you and others in this thread dont even give mundine a chance just kind of insinuates nut hugging. Dude i should know, before i took my absence from this forum i was a tszyu fan and i admit it. But im a changed man, back to my unbiased self. Anyway back to the point, if you dont think mundine is a threat then you need a reality check my friend. Calzaghes had one big fight, hes proven himself a total of...once against really world class opposition (imo lacy aint that great but oh well). What makes mundine think he can do what he says, F*** the guy is cocky. He says S***, even i admit that. I wish he would shut his mouth, he prob cant do what he says he can. But he only says that S*** to piss people off, this way people buy tickets to his fights so they can see him get his head knocked off. Its a very effective way of selling tickets, look at the mundine green fight. If he hadnt of pissed people off so much then that fight would of happened on a jeff fenech fight night for S*** all money. Instead coz of his mouth, this was a big fight and they both got a couple of mil for it.

Well what has Mundine proved that he would stand a chance he holds his left incredibly low and i see the clips that this Mundine fan boy was showing and he was throwing wild and sloppy punches and he didn't impress me at all and i have watched full fights of Mundine and he has never once impressed me.

[superheavyrhun]

I'm sure that Snakey is going to accuse me of nut-hugging ICE, but I'm afraid I gotta agree with my Mod brother on this one. Mundine has never been impressive, whilst Calzaghe has put in a number of decent performances over his career, despite his poor performance against Bika, and his poor opponent in Manfredo.

[Memphis]

I want one of those T-Shirts

[ross]

dine biggest claim to fame is that he was one of only a few opponents of Ottke that actualy got sparked, it was a very good knockout for sven, just shows that Mundine sadly lacks in the resiliance department

That alone also puts kesslers performance over him in question

Mundine is mundane, hes a name in oz and thats it, fuuck knows why

Who has he beaten that makes him world class ?

[superheavyrhun]

dine biggest claim to fame is that he was one of only a few opponents of Ottke that actualy got sparked, it was a very good knockout for sven, just shows that Mundine sadly lacks in the resiliance department

That alone also puts kesslers performance over him in question

Mundine is mundane, hes a name in oz and thats it, fuuck knows why

Who has he beaten that makes him world class ?

Rashid Matumla

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=019487

[Sugar_Shaw]

Kessler MUST fight the winner

[skel1983]

*CUE SUPER HERO MUSIC* NEVER FEAR, SNAKEY IS HERE! *End super hero music*

Woah guys Calzaghe seems to have a lot of guys here who can comfort him if his gf or something is away on business or something No offence to anyone here but all this calzaghe nut hugging....kind of reminds me of royal and kessler. May i ask what you guys base your opinions on with calzaghe? His one big fight with lacy? Someone imo who was overhyped anyway. I picked lacy to lose by UD coz i knew he was gonna get his head boxed off, so dont call me a hater. But cmon guys, calzaghe has been less then impressive in his last two fights. He should of had bika out of there within a couple of rounds, yet bika gave him a hard fight. Manfredo should of been out of there in the first two rounds for sure. You wanna say mundine has no chance...mundine is better than bika and manfredo combined. Wake up and smell the tea poms, mundine might not be the best ever or the best in the world but hes a threat to your man! OMG CALZAGHE OUTBOXED LACY! WOW! Mundine outboxed danny green! Same kind of thing, big hyped fight, big hitters...the big hitters got outboxed. Now i think if sam soliman had of fought joe then joe prob would of won a close decision....mundine knocked him the F*** out not long ago with laser right hand of his. Whats gonna happen if mundine lands that right hand on Joeys chin...wouldnt that be interesting and whats gonna happen when joe realises mundine shits all over him in the speed department? Hey im not saying mundine would whoop your man, im not even saying he would win for sure but my only point is stop thinking calzaghe is F****** unbeatable coz he aint. He aint god, he aint anything above an ordinary human, meaning he has flaws and meaning he can be beaten. So enough of the calzaghe cant be beat talk coz everyone can be beat, its only a matter of getting hit in the right place and good timing.


*Waiting to be over run by poms and calzaghe fans

When has there been one Calzaghe nut hugging in this thread ?? he is talented his opposition hasn't been great but this thread is more to do with Mundine and this guy thinking he can beat everyone at Supermiddleweight then unify at Middleweight

Well the fact you and others in this thread dont even give mundine a chance just kind of insinuates nut hugging. Dude i should know, before i took my absence from this forum i was a tszyu fan and i admit it. But im a changed man, back to my unbiased self. Anyway back to the point, if you dont think mundine is a threat then you need a reality check my friend. Calzaghes had one big fight, hes proven himself a total of...once against really world class opposition (imo lacy aint that great but oh well). What makes mundine think he can do what he says, F*** the guy is cocky. He says S***, even i admit that. I wish he would shut his mouth, he prob cant do what he says he can. But he only says that S*** to piss people off, this way people buy tickets to his fights so they can see him get his head knocked off. Its a very effective way of selling tickets, look at the mundine green fight. If he hadnt of pissed people off so much then that fight would of happened on a jeff fenech fight night for S*** all money. Instead coz of his mouth, this was a big fight and they both got a couple of mil for it.

Snakey i'll say it again Mundine has a very little if no chance of beating Calzaghe, fair enough you like to support your home country boys, but all this Mundine has improved so much?? I dont buy it?? Improved against who Danny Green and Sam Soliman?? As i said previously who exactly are these two guys?? Ill tell you who average boxers people will bring up the Winky fight for Soliman but Winly had the flu.Soliman was soundly beaton by Howard Eastman?? Yes the same guy who has had 3 world title shots and been beaton in all of them, Soliman is now back down at Middleweight, he fought Mundine at 168.

Calzaghe would be a 1/8 shot if this fight happened so in my books that means that Mundine has a 12.5% chance of winning, given its not exactly Lottery odds but come on, to me that means that he has a very small chance of winning in the majority of peoples minds, and odds are generated through peoples perceptions. Im sorry Snakey you can support your man all you want but he has a small chance of a big upset if this fight was to happen.

[Wacko3205]

*CUE SUPER HERO MUSIC* NEVER FEAR, SNAKEY IS HERE! *End super hero music*

Woah guys Calzaghe seems to have a lot of guys here who can comfort him if his gf or something is away on business or something No offence to anyone here but all this calzaghe nut hugging....kind of reminds me of royal and kessler. May i ask what you guys base your opinions on with calzaghe? His one big fight with lacy? Someone imo who was overhyped anyway. I picked lacy to lose by UD coz i knew he was gonna get his head boxed off, so dont call me a hater. But cmon guys, calzaghe has been less then impressive in his last two fights. He should of had bika out of there within a couple of rounds, yet bika gave him a hard fight. Manfredo should of been out of there in the first two rounds for sure. You wanna say mundine has no chance...mundine is better than bika and manfredo combined. Wake up and smell the tea poms, mundine might not be the best ever or the best in the world but hes a threat to your man! OMG CALZAGHE OUTBOXED LACY! WOW! Mundine outboxed danny green! Same kind of thing, big hyped fight, big hitters...the big hitters got outboxed. Now i think if sam soliman had of fought joe then joe prob would of won a close decision....mundine knocked him the F*** out not long ago with laser right hand of his. Whats gonna happen if mundine lands that right hand on Joeys chin...wouldnt that be interesting and whats gonna happen when joe realises mundine shits all over him in the speed department? Hey im not saying mundine would whoop your man, im not even saying he would win for sure but my only point is stop thinking calzaghe is F****** unbeatable coz he aint. He aint god, he aint anything above an ordinary human, meaning he has flaws and meaning he can be beaten. So enough of the calzaghe cant be beat talk coz everyone can be beat, its only a matter of getting hit in the right place and good timing.


*Waiting to be over run by poms and calzaghe fans

When has there been one Calzaghe nut hugging in this thread ?? he is talented his opposition hasn't been great but this thread is more to do with Mundine and this guy thinking he can beat everyone at Supermiddleweight then unify at Middleweight

Well the fact you and others in this thread dont even give mundine a chance just kind of insinuates nut hugging. Dude i should know, before i took my absence from this forum i was a tszyu fan and i admit it. But im a changed man, back to my unbiased self. Anyway back to the point, if you dont think mundine is a threat then you need a reality check my friend. Calzaghes had one big fight, hes proven himself a total of...once against really world class opposition (imo lacy aint that great but oh well). What makes mundine think he can do what he says, F*** the guy is cocky. He says S***, even i admit that. I wish he would shut his mouth, he prob cant do what he says he can. But he only says that S*** to piss people off, this way people buy tickets to his fights so they can see him get his head knocked off. Its a very effective way of selling tickets, look at the mundine green fight. If he hadnt of pissed people off so much then that fight would of happened on a jeff fenech fight night for S*** all money. Instead coz of his mouth, this was a big fight and they both got a couple of mil for it.

Snakey i'll say it again Mundine has a very little if no chance of beating Calzaghe, fair enough you like to support your home country boys, but all this Mundine has improved so much?? I dont buy it?? Improved against who Danny Green and Sam Soliman?? As i said previously who exactly are these two guys?? Ill tell you who average boxers people will bring up the Winky fight for Soliman but Winly had the flu.Soliman was soundly beaton by Howard Eastman?? Yes the same guy who has had 3 world title shots and been beaton in all of them, Soliman is now back down at Middleweight, he fought Mundine at 168.

Calzaghe would be a 1/8 shot if this fight happened so in my books that means that Mundine has a 12.5% chance of winning, given its not exactly Lottery odds but come on, to me that means that he has a very small chance of winning in the majority of peoples minds, and odds are generated through peoples perceptions. Im sorry Snakey you can support your man all you want but he has a small chance of a big upset if this fight was to happen.

In Snakey's defense...I have no issues with him supporting his fighter...I respect that...it's no different than those of us who support Floyd, Hatton, & Calzaghe...BUT...

MUNDINE'S WHOOPED LIKE A BRAT @ DAYCARE IF HE TAKES THIS FIGHT!

[Wacko3205]

Snakey i'll say it again Mundine has a very little if no chance of beating Calzaghe, fair enough you like to support your home country boys, but all this Mundine has improved so much?? I dont buy it?? Improved against who Danny Green and Sam Soliman?? As i said previously who exactly are these two guys?? Ill tell you who average boxers people will bring up the Winky fight for Soliman but Winly had the flu.Soliman was soundly beaton by Howard Eastman?? Yes the same guy who has had 3 world title shots and been beaton in all of them, Soliman is now back down at Middleweight, he fought Mundine at 168.

Also...I want to address something that totally makes me laugh everytime that I read or hear it said...Sam Soliman vs Winky Wright was a joke.

Anyone that thought Soliman was effective against Winky...please PLEASE stop.

That's the most ridiculous thing in the world to try to pass off as boxing knowledge...& that aint directed @ you skelly...you just brought it up...but, seriously...it's just amazing that people actually think that throwing a shitload of punches matters...especially when you aint fwockin connectin.

Calzaghe would be a 1/8 shot if this fight happened so in my books that means that Mundine has a 12.5% chance of winning, given its not exactly Lottery odds but come on, to me that means that he has a very small chance of winning in the majority of peoples minds, and odds are generated through peoples perceptions. Im sorry Snakey you can support your man all you want but he has a small chance of a big upset if this fight was to happen.

Calzaghe's volume would eclipse Mundine, who...again in Snakey's defense, has indeed improved...but IWO, Kessler gave him a gotdam fit & he was injured during the match.

Mundine's not strong enough to stop Joe either...if he did...I'd be shocked.

Joe is not given enough credit for what he has done & whom he has done it against. As I stated somewhere else on another MGT post (Mundane Glory Thread), Anthony has done little more than falter when he stepped in against the elite competition...I just don't think that he should be lacing up anything more than soccer/feet ball shoes.

[superheavyrhun]

Calzaghe's volume would eclipse Mundine, who...again in Snakey's defense, has indeed improved...but IWO, Kessler gave him a gotdam fit & he was injured during the match.

Mundine's not strong enough to stop Joe either...if he did...I'd be shocked.

Joe is not given enough credit for what he has done & whom he has done it against. As I stated somewhere else on another MGT post (Mundane Glory Thread), Anthony has done little more than falter when he stepped in against the elite competition...I just don't think that he should be lacing up anything more than soccer/feet ball shoes.

Mich as I hate it, once again my views have already been posted by another, but I agree with the Wackemeister, even if you're not quite a local fan. You coming Australia/Denmark to watch wee Joe's next attempt at greatness, cause if you is, i got a big ole pitcher of beer headed your way !!!!

[Wacko3205]

Calzaghe's volume would eclipse Mundine, who...again in Snakey's defense, has indeed improved...but IWO, Kessler gave him a gotdam fit & he was injured during the match.

Mundine's not strong enough to stop Joe either...if he did...I'd be shocked.

Joe is not given enough credit for what he has done & whom he has done it against. As I stated somewhere else on another MGT post (Mundane Glory Thread), Anthony has done little more than falter when he stepped in against the elite competition...I just don't think that he should be lacing up anything more than soccer/feet ball shoes.

Mich as I hate it, once again my views have already been posted by another, but I agree with the Wackemeister, even if you're not quite a local fan. You coming Australia/Denmark to watch wee Joe's next attempt at greatness, cause if you is, i got a big ole pitcher of beer headed your way !!!!

You better find me a gotdam "li-coor sto" instead of that beer mess babe...but if I head that way...I will call.