Kelly Pavlik's next fight,his last at 160...

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First, all of you are missing the point that with age it is getting TO HARD for Pavlik to make weight... i would like for him to stay at 160 also but if he cant, he cant.. i know he can do it the hopkins way but its unhealthy to stay at that weight year after year..

second, Calzaghe didnt break his hand after the manfredo fight he hurt it, there is a difference

third, i'm getting tired of everyone that wants to act like they know calzaghe to say he slaps.. yes some of his combos that are meant for scoring are little more than slaps but to say thats the extent of his power is just plain bias or dumb.. look at lacy's face for god sake 5000 slaps wouldnt do that to him... And I'm not saying that he hits you with a ton of bricks but he is far from a malignaggi type power like you all imply

next Pavlik is the biggest enigma i have seen in boxing for years..
his power, his underrated chin (he wont be knocked down for years), nobody knows just how good he can be if he keeps improving head movement, etc., he is better at defence than what it appears, he just doest have good defence technique, he purposely uses offence for defence very well..

pavlik-taylor: Pavlik has beat zertuche and miranda; taylor has beat b-hop twice and drew with winky when they were top p4p fighters
that being said to favor pavlik over taylor would be hard..
like i said pavlik is an enigma to me against calzaghe it would be hard to favor pavlik over a proven p4per

But i do know that a kessler-pavlik match would be out right war probably the most bloody, throw back fight that could be made... even more so that cotto-margo cause pavlik-kess has better chins

I know i'm a new poster and i completely respect the posters on here.. most of whom know more about boxing than me.. I hope i didnt step on to many toes...

Yes he did break them in Manfredo fight and its just figure of speech when i say he slaps i know his fighting style and he does slap alot he doesn't get full power into his punches and you would be surprised what 5000 hard slaps would do

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calzaghe did not break his hand as they reported right after the fight.. I've read on a couple of sites that it was bruised not broke when he hit manfredo's sholder... note: he wants to fight in sept. not nov.

and in the manfredo fight he "slapped" i know exactly what u are talking about but those are "scoring slaps" much like jabs arent suppose to knock u out but just to score and to set up straight right and left hooks (opposite for right jabs)

he DOES have more in his arsenal than "slaps" though its not just you ICE but i've heard that a thousand times "especially after the manfredo fight, which was probably seen by more calzaghe haters than any other fight" about how calzaghe slaps and that would never work against winky, b-hop, j.t.. anyone that says that needs to simply watch more fights of joe because for every slap he throws and i'm talikng about his 10 YEAR REIGN HE ALSO SLAPS TH F**K OUT OF SOMEBODY

sorry the whole joe slapping is a pet pieve of mine
i dont like it when great boxers has a one word stigma attached to them that denagrates their abilities when it is manufactured by the haters.. its disrepectful to boxing as a whole and the intellgence of the boxer's fans

maybe i'm going a little overboard

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calzaghe did not break his hand as they reported right after the fight.. I've read on a couple of sites that it was bruised not broke when he hit manfredo's sholder... note: he wants to fight in sept. not nov.

and in the manfredo fight he "slapped" i know exactly what u are talking about but those are "scoring slaps" much like jabs arent suppose to knock u out but just to score and to set up straight right and left hooks (opposite for right jabs)

he DOES have more in his arsenal than "slaps" though its not just you ICE but i've heard that a thousand times "especially after the manfredo fight, which was probably seen by more calzaghe haters than any other fight" about how calzaghe slaps and that would never work against winky, b-hop, j.t.. anyone that says that needs to simply watch more fights of joe because for every slap he throws and i'm talikng about his 10 YEAR REIGN HE ALSO SLAPS TH F**K OUT OF SOMEBODY

sorry the whole joe slapping is a pet pieve of mine
i dont like it when great boxers has a one word stigma attached to them that denagrates their abilities when it is manufactured by the haters.. its disrepectful to boxing as a whole and the intellgence of the boxer's fans

maybe i'm going a little overboard

Im not Calzaghe hater i just say it as i see it and he hardly landed clean punch on Manfredo yet he done that much damage to his hands Calzaghe has slapped the S*** out of people i'll give you that but against who exactly ?? and i've watched most of Calzaghes fights and he used to have alot more power now his fists are like feathers he is a great skilled boxer but he isn't a great what i mean by that is that he has got the skills of a great but his place at moment isn't a great in my opinion if he beats Kessler he will get my respect but we will wait and see.

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Calzaghe hurt his hand hitting his sholder hitting a sholder, elbow, or hip could break ANYONES hand..

he slapped the s**t out of Lacy, veit, mger, mitchell, sheika, and eubanks thats just the title fights he has been in and again i'm not saying that he hits like a mule but he does have some pop left in his power punches

ICE: i know u know boxing and ur not a JC hater but alot of others that dont know sh*t about boxing or JC, say joe slaps like they really know something

I'm not the biggest calzaghe fan, i think kessler has a 50/50 to beat him, but being that he is undefeated, has 20 defences, and a ten year reign alone should qualify you as a great, even if he loses to kessler he has had an impressive career...