You guys mention how Royce tapped Shamrock out the first fight, but couldnt do anything the second. But why do you only look at it that way? How come you dont consider that in two fights, Shamrock NEVER figured him out? You say Ken figured out the guard, but why then didnt Shamrock make Royce tap out? Its always "Royce woulda lost if they had decisions back then". Well they didn't. And Shamrock couldnt beat him. And thats what matters.