Quote Originally Posted by zzz
There are not a lot of great black quarterbacks are there? Or black quarterbacks period. Plenty at just about every other position, just not quarterback. Damned if I know why that is. As far as I can see, Warren Moon is the only one that gets a mention here. He totally dominated in the CFL, with five consecutive Grey Cups, before he left for greener pastures.
Thats because the quarterback position is the whitest position in sports. He either hands off to a running back (usually black) who runs the ball or he throws it to a wide receiver (again usually black but white receivers are more common than white running backs) who has to catch the ball in traffic most of the time and while the receiver does all the work, the qb gets credit for whatever the receiver does after he catches the ball. The qb could throw a 1 yard pass from the two yard line and if the receiver breaks 10 tackles and does some insane moves to gane the other 97 yards to the endzone, its awarded to the quarterback as yardage and a touchdown pass.

But on a serious note, There have been highly successful black quarterbacks before (moon, cunningham, hell i'll even throw in mcnabb and culpepper) its just that they are usually more built for other positions (which usually pay more).

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Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
I've never been raider fan nor will i ever be but anyone who doesn't think that play was fumble is an idiot. I've never sen the tuck rule enforced any other time than that one. The rule is (and has always been except for one playoff game in 2001) that if the ball comes out before the quarterbacks hand starts moving forward (this means that even if the quarterbacks hand is moving in a wind up motion backwards) its a fumble. Brady's hand was not moving forward when the ball came out so it was called a fumble on the field and should've remained a fumble. The raider football team only got better since gannon left aside from the qb spot and look what happened. Its not hard to win when you're throwing to michael irvin and have the nfls all time leading rusher in your back field.
I have seen the tuck rule enforced since then but never in such a big situation.


I hate the protection all the offensive players get...and I played offense! Like boxing you're supposed to protect yourself at all times and when you don't it's your own fucking fault...QB's should have helmet to helmet hits EVERYONE ELSE DOES!!!

Smith was very good and so was Irvin and so was Moose and Novacek and so was their defense but Aikman was no slouch, he did damn good...he fit right in with those guys....I mean obviously they paid him to stay there they could have gotten a cheaper QB but it wouldn't have worked out the way it did had he left or been let go
I haven't seen the rule enforced from that moment but of course you probably see different football games down there than i do because of the way the tv deal is set up. Qb's have the highest rate of concussions and its odd because eventhough qb's are considered small by football standards, they are usually 6'2+ and over 220 pounds, thats not a wimp. I'm not saying aikman was a talentless qb who just got thrown in a good situation that anybody could win with i'm just saying he had more help than marino, elway, favre and a many others. Of course a wide receiver can't do anything if the ball doesn't get to him.