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Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.
Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov?

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too
If the shoe fits....

I just can't see the crowning of wlad as undisputed heavyweight champ when vitali is still in the picture. Yes he's the best active fighter in the division right now but he has a loss to a journeyman regardless of what excuses you wanna make up, a loss is a loss. Brock actually earned his title fight as opposed to some people by fighting names of other average fighters. Do i think brock's a bum? Not completely. He's a contender. As for peter, i dunno how you knockdown a guy three times and end up losing a decision, thats something you gotta try hard at.

There's no one to challenge wlad, and there never has been, i think thats his whole problem. If Vitali quit against byrd and then didn't have the lewis fight, there'd be huge questions about him too but he fought somebody who could challenge him size and power wise. You could say peter challenged wlad but as you said the things i said about brock could be brought against peter just as well. Lennox went thru tyson (maybe washed up, but he was still a name) and holyfield and vitali had to deal with him. Wlad's never fought the guy who beat the guy and thats his problem.
And Mike Tyson lost to Kevin McBride and Danny Williams....hey a loss is a loss I guess Mike is a sorry ass fighter huh.....Ali lost to Trevor Berbick.

You may say "hey those guys were old as hell" well I'm saying Wladimir was 22 years old now you can take that however you want to I'm saying perhaps a fight that happened damn near 10 years ago and that has little to do with the fighter you see fighting these days might need to be left in the past.

You sound like a hater when you bring up the Purrity fight...yeah it was a loss but it was a loss because Wlad was a young fighter who threw too many punches.

Sanders is the MOST legit loss he has suffered, the Brewster loss, well I guess we'll see about that next weekend.





Lineage is kind of hard to follow when there is not just ONE CHAMPION....if we're doing lineage we're saying Oleg Maskaev is THE GUY right now and to me....that sounds outrageously stupid
Berbick is hardly a journeymen. At age 22 that ali guy you're talking about was heavyweight champion and undefeated, thats just barking up the wrong tree. Its not just the purity fight, everytime wlads stock rose, he lost again. Its hard to make a case for him when his stock keeps rising and falling like that. I'll admit right now he's probably at his best but really can you 100% trust the guy to take care of business?