what does floyd ahve to do to become a legend?

[the phenom]

i disagree wit those who say he wont be like sugar ray in status cuz i think his persoanlity causes him to be remebered and be a "star"

[Entragian]

I don't think he can to be honest. They guy is a jerk. He's not even creative enough to make that work. His personality is his downfall. Sad but true.

[No Contest]

Simply keep fighting. More often too. He needs a few more big names the likes of Mosely and Cotto then he can retire, and be a legend. Sadly I think if he loses that cockiness hes probably lost his edge.

[bgordon]

He's already proven his boxing skills. If he wants more fame and to become a household name like tyson, leonard, etc. he needs to keep doing things outside of the ring like the 24/7 show, which was good for his career. I dont blame him for wanting to retire to be honest. he wont get any more famous beating margarito or paul williams.

[bcollins]

He's already proven his boxing skills. If he wants more fame and to become a household name like tyson, leonard, etc. he needs to keep doing things outside of the ring like the 24/7 show, which was good for his career. I dont blame him for wanting to retire to be honest. he wont get any more famous beating margarito or paul williams.

But fighting and beating Mosley might help in that regard...it would be another high profile fight that I'd love to see anyway

[ArawakWarria]

He's already proven his boxing skills. If he wants more fame and to become a household name like tyson, leonard, etc. he needs to keep doing things outside of the ring like the 24/7 show, which was good for his career. I dont blame him for wanting to retire to be honest. he wont get any more famous beating margarito or paul williams.

Legend status--isn't it all about the people? He's done everything in the ring--in about 10 years! That alone is legendary. He needs to keep doing the Superfights, because right now, he can't draw his own PPV. It also has to do with his personality. After beating DLH, he could have basked in the glory, but he decided to be smug about his win and issue a pseudo 'retirement', as if he needed to create a 'buzz.' Well, it ended up being an anti-buzz, because people are now standing back to see what will happen next.

C'mon Floyd, step into the light!

[bgordon]

He's already proven his boxing skills. If he wants more fame and to become a household name like tyson, leonard, etc. he needs to keep doing things outside of the ring like the 24/7 show, which was good for his career. I dont blame him for wanting to retire to be honest. he wont get any more famous beating margarito or paul williams.

But fighting and beating Mosley might help in that regard...it would be another high profile fight that I'd love to see anyway

Oh as a boxing fan I'd love to see it to, but Mosley's name is NOT bigger than DLH's to the casual fan, and the fight wouldnt gain the interest of the dlh fight either. Ever since dlh, Floyd has been doing talk shows, award shows, I've heard his name on the radio, etc. He should capitalize on this buzz and get a role in a movie or something. Just playing devil's advocate I'm a huge fan of Floyd's style and hope to see him in the ring many more times.

[ArawakWarria]

He's already proven his boxing skills. If he wants more fame and to become a household name like tyson, leonard, etc. he needs to keep doing things outside of the ring like the 24/7 show, which was good for his career. I dont blame him for wanting to retire to be honest. he wont get any more famous beating margarito or paul williams.

But fighting and beating Mosley might help in that regard...it would be another high profile fight that I'd love to see anyway

Oh as a boxing fan I'd love to see it to, but Mosley's name is NOT bigger than DLH's to the casual fan, and the fight wouldnt gain the interest of the dlh fight either. Ever since dlh, Floyd has been doing talk shows, award shows, I've heard his name on the radio, etc. He should capitalize on this buzz and get a role in a movie or something. Just playing devil's advocate I'm a huge fan of Floyd's style and hope to see him in the ring many more times.

Great points BG, but remember that Shane beat DLH twice... that's the kicker. I say Mayweather fights Hatton next (30,000+ fans), then fights Cotto next year at MSG (PPV-again). Like I said, he can't sell a PPV, but he can fight the people who do! CHA - CHING!

[bgordon]

He's already proven his boxing skills. If he wants more fame and to become a household name like tyson, leonard, etc. he needs to keep doing things outside of the ring like the 24/7 show, which was good for his career. I dont blame him for wanting to retire to be honest. he wont get any more famous beating margarito or paul williams.

But fighting and beating Mosley might help in that regard...it would be another high profile fight that I'd love to see anyway

Oh as a boxing fan I'd love to see it to, but Mosley's name is NOT bigger than DLH's to the casual fan, and the fight wouldnt gain the interest of the dlh fight either. Ever since dlh, Floyd has been doing talk shows, award shows, I've heard his name on the radio, etc. He should capitalize on this buzz and get a role in a movie or something. Just playing devil's advocate I'm a huge fan of Floyd's style and hope to see him in the ring many more times.

Great points BG, but remember that Shane beat DLH twice... that's the kicker. I say Mayweather fights Hatton next (30,000+ fans), then fights Cotto next year at MSG (PPV-again). Like I said, he can't sell a PPV, but he can fight the people who do! CHA - CHING!

Shane beat DLH, but he couldn't sell half as many tickets or make casual sports fans pay attention the way they did may 5th.

I agree with the rest, the hatton fight in particular. If PBF only fights one more time I want it to be against Hatton just because it will be such a massive event, think of the energy level in the arena! It would be a spectical, thats for sure.

[amat]

Beat Cotto and Hatton. Then wait for about 10 years to tick off the old calendar before you see him start creeping into those all time list because people will have believed that enough time has passed to call him a great fighter. Sad truth, but it is.

He's one of the top 20 most skilled fighters of all time in my opinion.

[dantheman5166]

Well lets see here name a fighter Loi,Loche or Cervantes fought that was huge Chavvez I agree with but lets not forget the matchups here to think Loi would stand a chance against the punching power of aaron pryor is insanity. Cervantes and Loche were great fighters but did not dominate like pryor he had one loss late in his career and his toughest fight was against alexis arguello a true lightweight but you can not count out 39 wins and 35 by KO. Also you seem to not have noticed that Henry Armstrong and Pernell whitaker at 140 who chavez ducked in a rematch after their draw. Sugar Ray Robinson even fought a lot at 140 or 142 during welterweight fights and hector camacho is someone also considering and Armstrong and Whitaker were surely better than Loi cervantes and Loche hell Loi never even fought out of Italy just because a websiute has listings and has them listed as a weight class it dosent mean they wouldnt or didnt excel at another weight class and lets make sure we are talking about matchups here i agree with chavez mayweather would be a great fight but frankie randall de la hoya although chavez was past his prime as well as meldrick taylor gave Chavez a lot of trouble and the hand speed of mayweather would give chavez a lot of trouble. O wait didnt Aaron Pryor knockout Cervantes in the fourth round idc if he was past his prime he was crushed by pryor and lost to multiple journeymen with losing records by knockout.When u come from the same town as willie pep you know about no name or not really well known fighters that were great a legend dosent neccesarilly mean u were the most popular. Anyone who says pep isnt a legend dosent know boxing.Mayweather hammers cervantes loi and beats loche and chavez on points he losses to Whitaker in a close decision but ouitpoints Armstrong possibly outpoints Pryor if he can withstand his power.Lets also not forget benny leonard who was usually 137 or 136 when very few fights were for titles he modern day would be a 140 guy and he had 70 kos in 90 fights with only 5 losses we need to keep this guys in mind LEGENDS

[ArawakWarria]

RESPECT to dantheman for Perspective...

[Puya]

Like I said in another thread. For me he has to unify does not matter at what weight just unify. In my mind he will select 140 with is easier but for me 147(MArgo/Williams, Cotto, MOsley) or 154(Travis Simms = nuff said) will do it.

[dantheman5166]

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Heres #2 on me dantheman5166 and Welcome aboard the Saddo Express....
Hope you enjoy your stay here.....

When it comes down to it what the true fight fan feels about pretty boy Floyds legacy is all that matters. Lets not forget that Floyd has already beaten champions such as corrales,castillo,judah,chavez,gatti, manfredy and of course Oscar some names which even the casual fight fan has heard of before.

I personally would remove Judah from that list and add 'Chicanito' Hndz. I just don't think Zab held regards by the time they met and I ain't saying this just now I've been saying it since before they fought. I don't care how well Zabs and PBFs styles matched and how Zabs as fast or faster and stronger then PBF.... The fact the fight was sgined prior to the PBF fight is what makes it worst... 'Chicanito' was working on his 5th defense if memory serves me right and was more experienced then PBF so I hold that win higher then him beating a Zab that was well past it and I don't care if he won the 1st 3 rounds, a fight is scheduled for 12 not 3 rounds...

Floyd Mayweather jr. posseses hands down some of the best boxing skills we have seen of late. Now if Floyd were to fight 5-8 more major fights and win them all he would cement his legacy as one of the top 20 fighters i feel of all time. Mosley, Cotto ,Margarito,Hatton,Cintron,Williams,Clottey,Hopkins , or even Spinks, Malinaggi or Junior Witter who many forget hasnt lost since 2000 to Zab Judah when he was in his prime.

Right off the bat knock off Cintron off that list he won't be getting any credit by beating him thats for damn sure... Same applies for Witter he won't get S***! for beating him even if he hasn't lost since 2000 those 2 guys aren't stand outs at least now in their divisions.
Knock off B-Hop also that fight ain't happening....
SMM, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, Clottey and Spinks could be future opponents... Those are names that mean/stand for something those are names that will give PBF credit.....
Williams who is yet to prove himself I would discredit until the result of the Margarito fight....
I think Spinks would PBF a good fight really surprised no ones mentioned that match up before...
Spinks might be the one to beat PBF.... Who knows....

The opponents are out there if you look from 140-154 weightclasses where floyd would be able to compete in there are plenty of opponents for floyd to make a case as of the best of his generation and ever. With Floyds defensive skills and hand speed to think he would not stand a chance against Sugar Ray Leonard at 147 or Tommy Hearns at 147 is ignorant.

I see what your saying and I agree that it's ignorant NOT to THINK that PBF does not stand a chance against SRL or Hearns at anyweight BUT you gotta understand something and we've discussed this here, PBF has only had 1 opponent of great stature to fight and he did beat ODLH. The reason why people tend to always lean to the oldschool fighters in this case SRL, Hearns is because they had great opponents. Duran, Hagler, De Jesus, Benitez and others. PBF hasn't really had marquee names at the top with him add that to the fact that he wen't thru divisions like used to run through women and thats why people give him the flack he get's cause he hasn't really dominated a signle division.


first of all its D-hop not B-hop and with his uncle promoting along with oscar u know hes gunna get great fights even if he isnt on floyds level how can you hate on cintron when hes only got one loss to another great champion in margaritowith two or three more wins he gets his name back in the mix i love how u agree spinks would be a great matchup because he has great boxing skills and although he lacks ko power he could give floyd trouble. Witter or Malinaggi arent huge names eas of right now but alls it takes is one big win for people wanting to see someone like that to fight floyd and hatton could be the man that ends all of this because if you can knock JLC you can knock down anyone watchout floyd gunna be a great fight .

[dantheman5166]

what do ya think there mick