Why are USA Heavyweights so poor?

[Violent Demise]

What’s going on with American Heavyweights?
For almost 100 years America has dominated Boxings heaviest division but now no one.

Lamon Brewster's non effort last night against the china chinned Wladimir Klitschko just about summed up the pathetic state of the USA Heavyweights.

Americas other best Heavyweight Shannon Briggs surrendered his WBO title meekly and now Brewster does the same. Currently no American Heavyweight holds a version of the title (with the main 4 bodies)

Why are American Heavyweights so poor? Are there any prospects on the way?

Do you have something against fighters from other countries?I could care less where they come from, if they can fight and are entertaining who cares?

Why would I be against fighters from outside America? I live in Europe!
No I certainly don't mind where good Heavyweights come from. Its just there are none at the moment.
Chagaev is probably the best of the champions. But the contenders are poor and like a few have said its not just US Heavyweights.

My question is about American Heavyweight's as the US has given the World the top Heavyweights around for 100 years. Not just the Superstars but people like Ron Lyle. Ron Lyle would have broken Wladimir Klitschko or Ibragimov in half.

So is anyone on the horizon? Anyone know about the Kronk fighter Isaih Thomas?
Is Chris Arreola any good or another Vinny Maddalone? Tony Thompson?

Isiah Thomas is suppose to be the next great heavyweight.

[southakron314]

Why dose the rest of the world suck at football?
Why do farts smell?
Why are boobs cool?........ it just is the way it is.

[Big_Deuce]

Not to mention the the united states is 1 country. It isn't like 1 country is dominating the HWD right now, its an entire Continent. And for the United States to be dominate for so long is an accomplishment no other country will ever surpass. I mean, is it USA against the world or something? Because if so, United states has done pretty well considering the odds against them (globally)


HEAVYWEIGHT
WBC CHAMPION: OLEG MASKAEV (KAZAKHSTAN) hasnt had the belt for even a year and will most likely lose it on his first defense
WBA CHAMPION: Ruslan Chagaev (Uzbekistan) hasnt had the belt for even a year and will face Sultan ibragimov
IBF CHAMPION: Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine) WILL unify the titles eventually, strongest HW since lennox lewis
WBO CHAMPION: Sultan Ibragimov (Russia) hasnt had the belt for even 3 months will face chagaev
Samuel Peter (Nigeria) NABF
Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
Oliver McCall (US) INTL
Hasim Rahman (US) NABF/Interim
Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) LATINO
Nicolay Valuev (Russia)
Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
Donnell Holmes (US)
Alexander Povetkin (Russia)
Evander Holyfield (US)
Sinan Samil Sam (Turkey)
David Tua (New Zealand)
Calvin Brock (US)
Chris Byrd (US)
JD Chapman (US) LATINO/Interim

So there you have it.
Top 15 Heavies rated by the WBC
USA has 7 of the 19 (bout 40%)
Russia has 3
Ukraine has 3
Turkey 1
Cuba 1
New Zealand 1
Nigeria 1
Uzbekistan 1
Kazakhstan 1

Oliver McCall the highest ranked US Heavyweight! Ain't he 40 now. There must be someone better than him?

with all that you have read the only thing you take out of it is oliver McCall?
Cmon, give me a break..

[ghoster]

Why are USA Heavyweights so poor?

High taxes
shifty promoters
manager's lawsuits
gold digger girlfriends

Oh you mean skillwise, my bad.

Of course you know Maskaev, Peter, and Liakhovich are U.S. citizens.

[WelshDevilRob]

Why are USA Heavyweights so poor?

High taxes
shifty promoters
manager's lawsuits
gold digger girlfriends

Oh you mean skillwise, my bad.

Of course you know Maskaev, Peter, and Liakhovich are U.S. citizens.

Alright Ghoster,

That lot are about as American as Ike Ibeabuchi

[WelshDevilRob]

What’s going on with American Heavyweights?
For almost 100 years America has dominated Boxings heaviest division but now no one.

Lamon Brewster's non effort last night against the china chinned Wladimir Klitschko just about summed up the pathetic state of the USA Heavyweights.

Americas other best Heavyweight Shannon Briggs surrendered his WBO title meekly and now Brewster does the same. Currently no American Heavyweight holds a version of the title (with the main 4 bodies)

Why are American Heavyweights so poor? Are there any prospects on the way?

Do you have something against fighters from other countries?I could care less where they come from, if they can fight and are entertaining who cares?

Why would I be against fighters from outside America? I live in Europe!
No I certainly don't mind where good Heavyweights come from. Its just there are none at the moment.
Chagaev is probably the best of the champions. But the contenders are poor and like a few have said its not just US Heavyweights.

My question is about American Heavyweight's as the US has given the World the top Heavyweights around for 100 years. Not just the Superstars but people like Ron Lyle. Ron Lyle would have broken Wladimir Klitschko or Ibragimov in half.

So is anyone on the horizon? Anyone know about the Kronk fighter Isaih Thomas?
Is Chris Arreola any good or another Vinny Maddalone? Tony Thompson?

Isiah Thomas is suppose to be the next great heavyweight.

I certainly hope so, boxing needs an American at the top of the Heavyweight division.

The way things currently look Alexander Povetkin is going to march his way straight to the title.

[WelshDevilRob]

Not to mention the the united states is 1 country. It isn't like 1 country is dominating the HWD right now, its an entire Continent. And for the United States to be dominate for so long is an accomplishment no other country will ever surpass. I mean, is it USA against the world or something? Because if so, United states has done pretty well considering the odds against them (globally)


HEAVYWEIGHT
WBC CHAMPION: OLEG MASKAEV (KAZAKHSTAN) hasnt had the belt for even a year and will most likely lose it on his first defense
WBA CHAMPION: Ruslan Chagaev (Uzbekistan) hasnt had the belt for even a year and will face Sultan ibragimov
IBF CHAMPION: Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine) WILL unify the titles eventually, strongest HW since lennox lewis
WBO CHAMPION: Sultan Ibragimov (Russia) hasnt had the belt for even 3 months will face chagaev
Samuel Peter (Nigeria) NABF
Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
Oliver McCall (US) INTL
Hasim Rahman (US) NABF/Interim
Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) LATINO
Nicolay Valuev (Russia)
Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
Donnell Holmes (US)
Alexander Povetkin (Russia)
Evander Holyfield (US)
Sinan Samil Sam (Turkey)
David Tua (New Zealand)
Calvin Brock (US)
Chris Byrd (US)
JD Chapman (US) LATINO/Interim

So there you have it.
Top 15 Heavies rated by the WBC
USA has 7 of the 19 (bout 40%)
Russia has 3
Ukraine has 3
Turkey 1
Cuba 1
New Zealand 1
Nigeria 1
Uzbekistan 1
Kazakhstan 1

Oliver McCall the highest ranked US Heavyweight! Ain't he 40 now. There must be someone better than him?

with all that you have read the only thing you take out of it is oliver McCall?
Cmon, give me a break..

Great stuff compiling the list Deuce.
How good is Donnell Holmes?

That Canadian fighter Bermane Stiverne looks a top prospect.

[El Kabong]

Why are USA Heavyweights so poor?

High taxes
shifty promoters
manager's lawsuits
gold digger girlfriends

Oh you mean skillwise, my bad.

Of course you know Maskaev, Peter, and Liakhovich are U.S. citizens.

High Taxes


Guys, I think my explination sums it up: Lyakhovich - Belarus, Maskaev - Russia, Wladimir & Vitali - Ukraine, Sultan - Russia, Valuev - Russia, Chagaev - Uzbekistan....all of those countries were in the USSR and being communist they were not allowed to go pro unless they defected much like the Cuban fighters.

The reason Tefilo Stevenson and Felix Savon amongst others stayed in the amateurs forever is FIDEL CASTRO.



It's not a matter of where are the American heavyweights it's there's finally a LARGE group of people who can box professionally and they are showing they are just as good as everyone else

[Mikkel_K]

It's not a matter of where are the American heavyweights it's there's finally a LARGE group of people who can box professionally and they are showing they are just as good as everyone else

Obviously this is true to a certain point. If the Soviet Union still existed (and none of their boxers fought professionally), American fighters would still have their hands on a few titles. Truth be told, the only non-American, non-(ex)Soviet fighter with a genuine shot at a title these days is Sam Peter.

But that being said, even if they did hold titles the current American HW's are a far cry from the HW's of 10-15 years ago. It speaks volumes that I would actually rate McCall higher on a 'American heavyweight ranking' now, than I would have 5-10 or 15 years ago. And to be honest, from a historical perspective it isn't even that that generation was extraordinarily strong, but that this generation is extraordinarily weak.

[WelshDevilRob]

One year on and has anyone stepped upto the plate?

[Plopeater]

One year on and has anyone stepped upto the plate?

Hupefully Dave Haye may

[WelshDevilRob]

One year on and has anyone stepped upto the plate?

Hupefully Dave Haye may

Ah but he's not American.

[Plopeater]

One year on and has anyone stepped upto the plate?

Hupefully Dave Haye may

Ah but he's not American.

Sorry misreed it

[rjj tszyu]

Hupefully Dave Haye may

Ah but he's not American.

Sorry misreed it

It will come. And when it does there will probably be a few come out of the woodwork!!!

[TitoFan]

Because once upon a time, all boxers understood they had to be well-conditioned athletes. But now... in the age of instant-gratification, some HWs think all they need is a big punch (like the home run swing in baseball), and to hell with conditioning. So a lot of them will swing for the fences, but will gas out after a couple of rounds.