I remember him as an Amatuer winning 3 ABA titles at different weights on the trot. You could see he was a bit special even then beating good fighters on the way. Joes got it all a natural, unfortunatly hes got bad hands which in the end will be his demise. That I suppose is why he has altered his style over the years and lived with the problem. Hes better than good fighting with the problem he has, as anybody whose Boxed will tell you, Great Fighter