Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?

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I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

No other middleweight beat more Hall of Fame middleweights than Robinson did!

To be honest though big stars like Robinson make stars of their opponents when they lose to them. Some of his hall of fame opponents are probably there by virtue of beating Robinson, a circular argument.

Robinson lost his middleweight title 4 times, Monzon never, Hopkins and Hagler once...........

I know what your saying but names like:
LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Olsen & Graziano can stand on there own His record against that stella group is 12-4-1.

You think Hopkins would be unable to beat any of them? I don't..........

He may have, just giving reasons as to way IMO Robinson is a greater middleweight. Hopkins' wins over Tarver & Wright were @ LH so cannot be considered in his middleweight accomplishments. Take Robinson's middleweight opponents & compare that to Hopkins' & theres a wide margin!