Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Quote Originally Posted by Mr140
if you are calling suger ray good and not great i don't think you know boxing.
Oh I know boxing. Which is why I was able to see through the fraud job that was most of Leonard's career. Some one with limited knowledge wouldn't be able to see through it. Which is why you call him great.
But Ray beat an unbeaten Hearns who later went on to win additional titles proving Ray didn't expose Hearns as a fraud. After he made Duran quit, Duran went up & whipped a young, strong Davey Moore proving Duran had something left @ 154. Ray just making it close with Hagler (a true destroyer) was impressive. Also Ray beating Benitez to win the WBC 147 lb title wasn't bad as was beating an unbeaten Ayub Kalule to take his 154 lb WBA belt before fighting Hearns the 1st time.

Later he beat a much bigger man in Don LaLonde - granted, not a great fighter but a bigger & stronger man than Ray.

If Ray's a fraud after all that, I'd love to be that sort of fraud!