Please I beg you, quit comparing today's heavyweights to THIS guy....

[DaxxKahn]

The argument that is continually put out by the Klitschko fanatics is size
Klitschko's 3 losses were to guys 6'2" 6'3" and 6'3"1/2
Ali was 6'3"
Can we stop now?

CC# 142.....

[Trainer Monkey]

The argument that is continually put out by the Klitschko fanatics is size
Klitschko's 3 losses were to guys 6'2" 6'3" and 6'3"1/2
Ali was 6'3"
Can we stop now?

CC# 142.....

Back at you CC
I like the Kiltschko's,but come now
I have never seen footwork or hands like Ali's,and enough with this "Ali was small" crud
He wasnt

[Taeth]

Chris Byrd doesn't fight in ANYWAY like that. Wlad wouldn't know what to do with a guy that was that fast, that tough, and that unintimidated.

Use his jab? because Ali was horrible against the jab? I am not saying Wlad would beat him, but he would give Ali a lot of trouble. + Byrd is pretty fast himself, and Wlad had no problems with him.

[Trainer Monkey]

Chris Byrd doesn't fight in ANYWAY like that. Wlad wouldn't know what to do with a guy that was that fast, that tough, and that unintimidated.

Use his jab? because Ali was horrible against the jab? I am not saying Wlad would beat him, but he would give Ali a lot of trouble. + Byrd is pretty fast himself, and Wlad had no problems with him.

Chris Byrd isnt in the same stratosphere of fast as Ali was.
If Chris Byrd has a dream he's as fast as Ali,he should call Ali to apologize

[Brockton Bomber]

I think Just A Boxing Fan needs to go post at Sherdog until he figures out what the fwock he's talking about.

[Sugar_Shaw]

It's virtually impossible to compare any heavyweight to Ali (apart from maybe Patterson) when your talking about speed.

[SweetPea]

I have to say, the entertainment value of this thread is off the charts...

If you're looking to see Wlad "I got KTFO by Corrie Sanders" Klitschko and Chris "Ike's bi*ch" Byrd mentioned in the same sentence as Muhammad Ali.... you've come to the right place.

[Trainer Monkey]

It's virtually impossible to compare any heavyweight to Ali (apart from maybe Patterson) when your talking about speed.

Richard Pryor does a bit about doing a charity event with Ali that is absolutely hilarious,and unfortunatly unreprintable here
One line though
"You dont even see the punches until hes pulling them back,all I know there was some s*** up in my face"

[ICB]

Clay-London
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jU2YPXghFkU

This is what the greatest looks like when he's firing on all cylinders. Notice the triple feint he uses to back him into a corner followed by a 10+ punch flurry. When someone can keep their hands at their side for an entire fight over the course of many fights and still make people afraid to hit them only using the fear of their speed, you can't compare them to anyone.

Yea he looked pretty good against a guy who was 35-13, I would hope he would.Wladimir would have ko'd a 201lb guy in about 20 seconds, no disrespect to Ali.

Purrity doesn't have more wins than losses and wlad was heading to the score cards if he hadn't gassed out. You were saying? Oh wait thats my bad, the purrity lose happened when wlad was 22 so it doesn't count because he was inexperienced. Ali was the heavyweight champion of the world (back when it was one belt so i guess that made him the undisputed champion) at age 22. Ali never got tired. Wlad could hold his own for 5 rounds but trust me when your opponent actually has stamina, a great chin, incredible speed, and significant power, you're gonna lose.

Accept it. That Ali would embarass anyone. If you tryed to trade with him, he's faster than you and he has a better chin. Read the bold until it sinks in how ridiculous you are saying wlad could beat ali. Lewis would put up a good fight but he believed in his own ability too much and that costed him the first rahman fight. If lewis didn't put on a near perfect perfomance, he'd be stopped.

Lewis is an ATG and would put up a great fight but ali was faster and even if you did hit him, it wasn't enough to stop him. Lewis was stopped before, twice infact. Ali's only "ko" loss is when his corner stepped in and stopped it for him and that was in the 80's when ali had no business fighting anyway. As sad as ali's carer ended, none of his fans ever had to witness him be stopped.

Wlad gassed out against purrity. How do you think he could possibly hang with a guy that could only be defeated by decision? Wlad wouldn't last 12 rounds with Ali. Wlad could catch him and knock him down and that would get him some points, but did you ever see what happened when Ali got up after being knocked down? He fights even better. You can say all you want about his "bad" style, he made it work and he beat opponents far superior to those that wlad has faced. The journeymen back then would beat the journeymen now. The division was just on a whole different level and he dominated it past his prime.

I forgot Ali was a God, he could never be beaten.It is like talking to a brick wall.
It boggles the mind that people can be so sure on a subject like this where there is no way of proving that Ali would beat Wladimir!So me saying Wladimir would beat Ali has the same credibility.Face it all of the current athletes today are superior to those from back in the day.I will say this agian, if Wladimir was fed a steady diet of guys that weighed 200lbs he would be knocking them all out and not going 15 rounds with them.

You keep saying this everytime yet you never give me a reason why i give you one but you never give me reason i would like to say for like 5th time i have said this to you how can they be better athletes today ?? there slower there stamina is worse there movement is worse so how the hell can they be better athletes explain that ??

Give me one guy that was as good as an athlete as Wladimir at his size from Ali's era?

Ken Norton Larry Holmes ?

I never Knew Larry Holmes and Ken Norton were 6'7" and 250lbs.

I don't understand you at all that doesn't make Wlad a better athlete just because he is bigger and weighs more your confusing me your so saying hws are better athletes today because there taller and weigh more

[ICB]

Clay-London
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jU2YPXghFkU

This is what the greatest looks like when he's firing on all cylinders. Notice the triple feint he uses to back him into a corner followed by a 10+ punch flurry. When someone can keep their hands at their side for an entire fight over the course of many fights and still make people afraid to hit them only using the fear of their speed, you can't compare them to anyone.

Yea he looked pretty good against a guy who was 35-13, I would hope he would.Wladimir would have ko'd a 201lb guy in about 20 seconds, no disrespect to Ali.

Purrity doesn't have more wins than losses and wlad was heading to the score cards if he hadn't gassed out. You were saying? Oh wait thats my bad, the purrity lose happened when wlad was 22 so it doesn't count because he was inexperienced. Ali was the heavyweight champion of the world (back when it was one belt so i guess that made him the undisputed champion) at age 22. Ali never got tired. Wlad could hold his own for 5 rounds but trust me when your opponent actually has stamina, a great chin, incredible speed, and significant power, you're gonna lose.

Accept it. That Ali would embarass anyone. If you tryed to trade with him, he's faster than you and he has a better chin. Read the bold until it sinks in how ridiculous you are saying wlad could beat ali. Lewis would put up a good fight but he believed in his own ability too much and that costed him the first rahman fight. If lewis didn't put on a near perfect perfomance, he'd be stopped.

Lewis is an ATG and would put up a great fight but ali was faster and even if you did hit him, it wasn't enough to stop him. Lewis was stopped before, twice infact. Ali's only "ko" loss is when his corner stepped in and stopped it for him and that was in the 80's when ali had no business fighting anyway. As sad as ali's carer ended, none of his fans ever had to witness him be stopped.

Wlad gassed out against purrity. How do you think he could possibly hang with a guy that could only be defeated by decision? Wlad wouldn't last 12 rounds with Ali. Wlad could catch him and knock him down and that would get him some points, but did you ever see what happened when Ali got up after being knocked down? He fights even better. You can say all you want about his "bad" style, he made it work and he beat opponents far superior to those that wlad has faced. The journeymen back then would beat the journeymen now. The division was just on a whole different level and he dominated it past his prime.

I forgot Ali was a God, he could never be beaten.It is like talking to a brick wall.
It boggles the mind that people can be so sure on a subject like this where there is no way of proving that Ali would beat Wladimir!So me saying Wladimir would beat Ali has the same credibility.Face it all of the current athletes today are superior to those from back in the day.I will say this agian, if Wladimir was fed a steady diet of guys that weighed 200lbs he would be knocking them all out and not going 15 rounds with them.

You keep saying this everytime yet you never give me a reason why i give you one but you never give me reason i would like to say for like 5th time i have said this to you how can they be better athletes today ?? there slower there stamina is worse there movement is worse so how the hell can they be better athletes explain that ??

Give me one guy that was as good as an athlete as Wladimir at his size from Ali's era?

Ken Norton Larry Holmes ?

I never Knew Larry Holmes and Ken Norton were 6'7" and 250lbs.

Klitschkofan, Theres no changing these guys mind they have the Ali syndrome.

I think you have Klitschko syndrome just like the other guy Klitschkofan i am not Ali's biggest fan but Ali was well faster than Wlad had better chin stamina basically he was better than Wlad in every department except power this actually makes me laugh how many times hs Wlad been floored by lesser competition how many times has his stamina let him down ?? this guy is champ in weak era just because he is taller and weighs more that doesn't mean he would win and he is not even close to Ali in athletism.

[zhubin]

Klitschkofan, give it up man. You are beginning to embarrass yourself. We all get it...you think Klitschko is great. But you are not going to win this argument...you simply have no evidence to back your boy up...except for you hilarious size theory.

I would suggest neither of you have evidence to back up your points since they will never fight. It's opinion, and thus, neither of you is wrong

It's called common sense. One fighter (Ali) was a supreme athlete who was incredibly fast, had tremendous stamina, an incredible chin, and fought and beat some of the greatest fighters in history. The other fighter (Klitschko) has terrible stamina, a very suspect chin, not nearly as fast or skilled, and has fought and lost in probably the weakest era for heavyweight fighters ever. So yeah...we will never truly know unless through magic these two actually fought....but if you have a shred of common sense and understanding of the sport....this whole debate is clearly ridiculous. I know some people want to support their favorite fighters and think that their favorite fighters can beat anyone they are matched up against....but if you can step outside of that mentality...and look at things without great bias....logic will set in.

[Punisher136]

Chris Byrd doesn't fight in ANYWAY like that. Wlad wouldn't know what to do with a guy that was that fast, that tough, and that unintimidated.

Use his jab? because Ali was horrible against the jab? I am not saying Wlad would beat him, but he would give Ali a lot of trouble. + Byrd is pretty fast himself, and Wlad had no problems with him.

Chris Byrd isnt in the same stratosphere of fast as Ali was.
If Chris Byrd has a dream he's as fast as Ali,he should call Ali to apologize

cc Thats a different version of one of my favorite ali quotes.