UFO's & Ghosts

[Kev]

The idea of animals having a higher vibrationary love experience as you put it is one of the reasons I hate this New Age stuff so much as it de-emphisises the significance of mankind within creation and reduces us to the status of highly evolved animal.

I'm not a religious person - I don't doubt there is some kind of higher power but I don't believe it's something any human interpretation could ever summarize. Why would we ever be able to understand in it's entirity how and why life came to exist and why do we need to? Is it not enough to just make the most of your life and to try to be someone who is morally responsible?

So without disrespecting anyone's religious beliefs (because I won't argue for or against it) is it so bad that we might only have the same status as a highly evolved animal? Why do we need to feel superior to other living things?

Even if you do believe we are created in god's image part of the recognized definition of 'being only human' is that we are far from perfect. If we know our limitations as a race would we really need to feel ashamed of NOT being spiritually better than animals? I just don't see the shame in that myself.

I think probably a heard of cattle would believe they are spiritually more connected and aware than humans because they can only look at life through a cow's eyes and can not see first hand what life is through our eyes. Are we a little silly thinking we can sum up what sort of spiritual experience any animal has in life.

Now theres a balanced point of view from one who is obviusly not one eyed.cc 4 u

You know I do agree 100% with where you are coming from. I completely agree that man starting with only himself as a reference point will never be able to come to understand the mysteries of life and the meaning of it all. Many philosophers have tried, Kant, Hegal, Descartes to name just a few all attempted to provide a rational total world view and completely failed.

No man, no matter how wise will ever be able to solve the ultimate God riddle, not even our own Punisher on this very forum!

But as a believer in the bible I do believe that God is knowable because he has revealed Himself and made Himslef known to us. Before you think I'm getting preachy, I'm not, I'm a non practising Christian and will be recanting all my sins on my deathbed at the last minute as I imagine most other people do.

But I do think that in order to have any discussion with anybody about religion every person needs to have read the bible from cover to cover as it's the only religious book that doesn't claim human authorship but rather claims to be the very word of God. And also, and this is why it has fascinated me for most of my life, unlike all other religious texts the bible is grounded in real history.

God made a covenant with Abraham and said that he would build from him a nation, a peculiar people that would stand out apart from the world. These people, the Jews then had their entire history laid out in the first books of the Old Testament and of course they are still very much alive today, still the scourge of much of the earth and still at war with their Arab brothers the Muslims, the descendents of Abraham's first son Ishmael.

It has always annoyed me beyond all reason when in today's modern secular thinking science is seen as dealing with empirical facts and testable data whereas religion is seen as (to quote Soren Kieggagard) a leap of faith, a suspension of belief as it were, against all reason.

However this is completely and utterly untrue. The bible is the most 'reasonable' book ever written, it is laid out in actual history and anybody who actually wants to take the time and read and explore for themselves will see that. The death and resurection of Christ are actual events in history. Although one cannot make the claim that Jesus definitely rose from the dead, it is indisputable that his followers who saw him die, saw him nailed to a cross and then saw him buried in a cave believed with all their heart that they actually saw him raised again, spoke with him, ate with him and watched him ascend into heaven. They believed this so much that they all willingly went to their deaths proclaiming this.

It is also indisputably true that Jesus' entire life and ministry was prophecised hundreds of years before his birth.


So anyways that is why I don't swing with the animal consciousness thing, not because of my own reason or opinions but that the God of the bible whom I believe in told us that we are unique in all creation and therfore fundamentally different to the animal kingdom.

But ultimately this is all a matter of belief either way, it just boils down to what you base your beliefs upon.