UFO's & Ghosts

[Kev]

If it does in fact state in the bible that the world is only 6,000 odd years old, then i really have no idea how somebody could follow it.

Well first off the bible doesn't give an age of the earth, but certainly you are correct in that the bible definitely indicates the earth is only in the thousands of years, 10,000 or so rather than the billions as stated by science.

But why is the age of the earth so problematic to you? You only believe the earth to be billions of years old because that is what modern science teaches. If tomorrow scientists announced a shocking new discovery that 'proved' the earth was only 30,000 years I'm sure you and everyone else would just believe it to be true as scientists had just 'proved' it.

The arguments for an old earth are to fit the evolutionary timescale, e.g it took billions of years from the time of the big bang for matter to form in dense lumps and create stars etc. It then took more billions of years for natural processes to 'create' an earth habitable for life etc.

The long age of the universe is neccessary to attempt to explain the origin of the universe without God, it is not a problem at all if you believe that a designer created the universe.

Plate tectonics, the earth would be inhabitable without it. They (the plates) move at maybe a centimeter a year and it can be confirmed that they were once interlocked. They are now miles upon miles apart from where they used to be and that process in itself would take tens of thousands of years let alone to formation of the initial pangaea coupled with the massive populations of said animals that once roamed it. Where do you think oil came from? "god" certainly as hell didn't just throw in a chemical in the earths crust for his creations to use. It was made over millions of years by very high pressured decay of several million plant and animal remains.

I believe that there was more to it that just what science wants people to believe but i have reason to believe that this "god" is not as all powerful as he has been described to be.

The plates are moving at the rate of a centimeter a year now but we have no way of knowing at what rate they moved in the past. You see you are incapable of seeing the past in any way other than uniformitarainism, e.g the present erosional processes are the key to understanding the past.

But a simple analagy can show how erroneous such a belief can be...

Imagine you come across a bath tub, it is filled with just over half a meter of water, and the tap is dripping at the rate of 1 drip every 8 seconds. How long did the bath take to fill? A scientist using the evolutionary approach would be competely wrong here, examining the speed of the drip, testing the temperature of the water and testing for minute bath leaks and evaporation they would probably come up with a timeframe of several weeks for the bath to fill.

However, obviously this would not be the case, the bath was most likely filled in just a few minutes maybe only a couple of hours ago, possibly even a few minutes if the tap water temperature was the same as the air temperature when turned on.

A scientist using evolutionary methods to estimate a timescale under those circumstances would be way off.

The biblical earth model is not based on uniformitariansim but rather catastrophim, namely that massive violent movements, (a global flood) inflicted trememdous damage to the earth and that the rock strata, coal and oil deposits that scientists believe took millions of years to gradually deposit actually occurred over just a few weeks or months.

As far as coal and oil formation is concerned, the process certainly requires millions of years if you assume uniformitarianism and that no major global catastrophe has impacted the earth as oil is the dead remains of plants and animals gradually accumalated over millions of years.

However, a global flood would have resulted in a catastrophic upheaval with literally billions of sediments of animal and plant matter being laid down literally alomst instantanously.

In such circumsance oil doesnnot take millions of years to form, but only a few weeks!

If you are interested google Robert Gentry, a physicst whose work on palonoim halo's has presented evolutionists with a seemingly unsolvable refutation of a long age for the earth. His groundbreaking work shows more convincingly than anything how both coal and oil can form incredibly quickly under the right circumstances and also how the earth must be young.

It's too techinical to get into on a boxing forum but you'd need to read his books and study the literature, (at least 6 months solid reading if you want to properly understand it) but his work is as groundbreaking as anything in science. Because he's arguing for a young earth however his work is sidelined and ignored by the scientific community. His ideas will be seen as revolutionary in years to come however, when evolutionary theory has shifted its position enough to be able to include his work within their theories.