One reason why I like George Bush......

[El Kabong]

Can anyone tell me why people love the idea of socialism or communism so fucking much? And what the FUCK is up with everyone loving Che Guavera so god damned much?


And now HUGO CHAVEZ...who the hell made him king of the America's Danny Glover, Sean Penn....those guys met with him everyone in Hollywood loves him and why? Because he hates George Bush!

Hugo Chavez is a bully and honestly we could do without him....I wouldn't buy oil from him at all but then again we have to because of the fact that the peaceniks here don't want drilling or refining in America!

All these people want a clean environment but don't want nuclear power plants the cleanest fucking fuel ON EARTH!!!! God damn I hate hippies I am going to see one today and set their fucking dreadlocks on fire....waste of fucking life

[Punisher136]

They are annoying and their thought processes are completely illogical.

[El Kabong]

They are annoying and their thought processes are completely illogical.

EXACTLY!

Let's reward the poor people who don't contribute SHIT to society and punish the evil rich people!

Did you know that people making around a million a year pay count for 90% of America's income tax revenue And the democrats want to tax them more WHY so that they won't be able to provide jobs for people....I mean the economy speaks for itself....right now, low taxes = low unemployment.


And I am not in favor of income taxes or anything like that...I like the national sales tax which is consumption based....so bastards like Al Gore who CONSUME more than everyone else have to PAY MORE. It's revenue neutral too which is a plus but the liberals won't like it because then they won't have a section to be the victim's aid for like they do now.

[Gandalf]

This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?!

[El Kabong]

This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?!

...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of shit but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

[El Kabong]

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

[Kev]

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he?

[katfight]

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

lyle wtf


actually healthcare in the uk aint what u obviously think !!!!
!if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker
but nhs aint shit

yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first

someone in the world and in each county of each country has to shovle shit with not a lot of pay for a living
your shit and mine!!!!!!!! so if their wage is crap they should have less right to health care than u ?
someone has to do the crappy jobs and get paid crap for it or u wouldnt be able to walk on a clean street or eat a takeaway wen u didnt feel like cooking !or tons of other stuff!!!!

you know some ppl dont have a choice about being poor we cant all get silver spoons in our mouth and those of us that do can still go private and get our heart bypasses today


what right does someone have to say that a father who lost his jobs due to downsizing can no longer get treatment for his leaukemia stricken child becaus they no longer have insurance??

[El Kabong]

...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer

Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he? 

FYI Michael MOORE is the documentary maker....Michael Moorer was a boxer.......either way I'd still like to see George Foreman knock them both the fuck out!


Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.

The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your ass and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competative even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.

[Gandalf]

This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?!

...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

What I should have said is that this thread had taken on a ludicrous digression.

What started as a funny observation on manners turned into rants about the US healthcare system. Still, all very readable and entertaining!

[Kev]

This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?!

...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

What I should have said is that this thread had taken on a ludicrous digression.

What started as a funny observation on manners turned into rants about the US healthcare system. Still, all very readable and entertaining!

Give me time, I'm still confident I can steer this thread in the direction of either how great I am in the Saddo Arcade or how dinosaurs managed to fit onto Noah's Ark.

[Julius Rain]

Bush is gangsta for real, but america doesn't need aggression it needs al gore

....yes we need someone to preach at us about the evironment while he uses 10 times more energy than everyone else BUT he buys carbon offsets which is totally rational

Al Gore is a peice of shit, W ain't the greatest but he's the lesser evil out of the choices we had....W, Gore, and Kerry.....John Kerry is a total fucking idiot and Al Gore is a whiney bastard....W is stubborn as hell though

Yea I was joking, but atleast Al gore makes better speaches then both john kerry and W. Bush. I think kerry is a robot, Al gore does whine a lot and bush is too aggressive.

Al gore seems like Dr. phil sometimes but I heard he didn't do such a good job on his own son, whom was caught with many prescribtion drugs and under the influence.

Thats the problem, these guys will ofcourse act like a perfect american family men but they really not. Most of the times, we've already voted them as president before we find out, that they are fuck ups too just like the rest of us americans

Bilbo was right about bush, atleast bush is real. I don't agree with many of his decision but he keeps it real. He came out i think a week ago, and told everyone that someone tell him why they wanted a petitioned sign, and if they gave him a good reason He'll sign it but if not he'll shread it

WE never had a president like that its pretty funny, but yea bush is a recovering alcholic heheh

[Gandalf]

This thread has taken on a completely idiotic stance. Lyle, where on earth did the communism come from?!

...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.

What I should have said is that this thread had taken on a ludicrous digression.

What started as a funny observation on manners turned into rants about the US healthcare system. Still, all very readable and entertaining!

Give me time, I'm still confident I can steer this thread in the direction of either how great I am in the Saddo Arcade or how dinosaurs managed to fit onto Noah's Ark.

Knowing the way you are that is totally feasible!!

[El Kabong]

Bush is gangsta for real, but america doesn't need aggression it needs al gore

....yes we need someone to preach at us about the evironment while he uses 10 times more energy than everyone else BUT he buys carbon offsets which is totally rational

Al Gore is a peice of shit, W ain't the greatest but he's the lesser evil out of the choices we had....W, Gore, and Kerry.....John Kerry is a total fucking idiot and Al Gore is a whiney bastard....W is stubborn as hell though

Yea I was joking, but atleast Al gore makes better speaches then both john kerry and W. Bush. I think kerry is a robot, Al gore does whine a lot and bush is too aggressive.

Al gore seems like Dr. phil sometimes but I heard he didn't do such a good job on his own son, whom was caught with many prescribtion drugs and under the influence.

Thats the problem, these guys will ofcourse act like a perfect american family men but they really not. Most of the times, we've already voted them as president before we find out, that they are fuck ups too just like the rest of us americans

Bilbo was right about bush, atleast bush is real. I don't agree with many of his decision but he keeps it real. He came out i think a week ago, and told everyone that someone tell him why they wanted a petitioned sign, and if they gave him a good reason He'll sign it but if not he'll shread it

WE never had a president like that its pretty funny, but yea bush is a recovering alcholic heheh

....let's not get ahead of ourselves

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....which is why I think this global warming crap is just something to make Al feel smart

[El Kabong]

...and we have had alcoholic presidents before...hell one first lady has a fucking rehab center named after her!!!