Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo
Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!

Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer
Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he? 
FYI Michael MOORE is the documentary maker....Michael Moorer was a boxer.......either way I'd still like to see George Foreman knock them both the fuck out!


Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.

The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your ass and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competative even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.