hey spaceballon, why would the person trying to do the philly shell defense have to be prepared to take punishments, alot of punishment for 2 years?

i've been sudying this style for quite a few months, Toney is a Grandmaster at it, its the king of all styles in boxing. guzman can do it pretty good too. but only recently i started practising it, and yes i was getting his alittle more than usual. but then one day it just clicked and now i am really good at it.

you said a person should have a good radar and a good chin to use this style. i say the radar bit is true, but the chin bit isnt, this is a counterpunching style, for u to fight like a tua or a tyson/frazier u will definetly need to ave a good chin. if you can do this style properly then you wont be gettin caught clean. how often do you see mayweather jr or toney get tagged like u see miranda did against pavlik (flush, moving towards a punch etc).

you must know the basics good and proper to practise this imo. just for all your info, if you wanna fight like a toney, its not just the shoulder roll, there are other great moves to go with it, but u gotta watch the fights.

hey ice man, go on google and type in 'sherdog philly shell defense' and theres a great topic on that forum, a guy explains this style properly, gives rare tips.