Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
[...the people who don't like the Republican tax policy are communist or socialist....as well as the people who think Universal Healthcare is a good idea.

Idiotic....maybe.....but it's out there and it's an issue because everyone wants to provide for the people who are poor and I agree it's a noble cause but you can't just do everything for those people, if you do they will become lazy as we hear about those people who take advantage of welfare (and notice I say TAKE ADVANTAGE OF...not everyone on welfare is a lazy peice of S*** but some are).....people need to provide for themselves and if they can't then it's darwinism and in life everyone can't win everytime and you shouldn't handicap those who are doing well just to catch people up with them....it's counter productive.
errrmmmm yeah u did talk about health care


and i asked y in ur reply to my post u mentioned Canada

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i was talking about uk healthcare which is wat is relevant to me
i dont live in Canada so there health care is irrelivant to me

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Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
...and when I say "everyone wants to provide for the poor" I mean: Obama, Clinton, and Romney....all of them have Universal Healthcare programs planned for us......just ask our British and Canadian friends how that works for them!Universal Healthcare is socialism...and it doesn't work because it provides for those who don't do enough and it takes away from those who strive to do better...hence COUNTER PRODUCTIVE


There's a reason Canadians come to the US for healthcare!


Right now someone could need by-pass surgery....tell me how long you would wait in Canada and England.....you'd have it done TODAY in America!

Look at Cancer survivors in those countries....America is far and away the best for survival rates for pretty much all forms of cancer
Hmm I watched Michael Moorer's recent Sicko documentary and according to him if you are an American citizen you have to go to Cuba to be able to get affordable medicine. Also only the inmates at Guantanamo get free healthcare and the rest are just fucked.

Surely Michael Moorer wouldn't be just trying to sensationalise.......would he?
Kat....the key to your post "if u wanna go private and pay u can and get stuff done quicker"....in Canada going private isn't an option and if it is it's only been recently passed in some areas.
The market always works out for the people in need Kat....which is why it's called Supply and DEMAND.


We have a defacto social healthcare system now in the US....illegals and poor people use the system and honestly it's cheaper to have the procedures done without insurance in most cases because the insurance company sets the prices.....but that's besides the point....the point is doctors are obligated to help people in need and not worry about being paid...if someone has a heart attack in a hospital they don't swipe his credit card before they fix him.....so all these illegals and poor people get treatment and basically insurance goes up and the prices go up due to people not paying...it's like working loss prevention at a department store....you have a whole bunch of $10 items but a bunch get stolen and you change the price to $20 for the rest to save your a** and stay in the positive.


Downsizing over here is mostly due to Unions or NAFTA and honestly it's the corporations, union heads, and politicians who should answer for that....but this ain't France, you have to keep yourself competative even if it means getting fewer benefits or less pay....but mainly it means making yourself too valuable to let go and it's harder to do that in some jobs which is very sad but it's a fact.

"yes we have very long waiting times in some areas of medicine but we dont pick out rich ppl with better payment plans and insurance to treat first "

I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.

You don't just pay to be looked at, you pay for results too...for example I don't want to be told by my government that I have to drive a Yugo when I can afford a Jaguar....you get it?


As for America's system....it's not 100% perfect but it needs less to fix it than overhauling the whole system.


and u said ..................
I'm not talking about kicking people out, I'm saying if you have the means you should have the option to be served right away and get THE BEST treatment available.


and in the uk this does happen








and on a side note dont try and send your rejects over here we have enough of our own thanx