Quote Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick
There is ONLY but 1 person responsible for what happened with Toney, and that's Toney himself.

When you get/have seasoned fighters like him you can talk and encourage all you wan't but they're gonna do what they're gonna do.

I think Roach's is one of the best and for NO reason do the best fighters in the world come to Wild Card Gym to train with him....

B-Hop was the last win he had
Mick, I hear you but a trainer and a student absolutly work better when they know each other... They know what the other is thinking and know how to pump them up or settle them down. I think Roach is doing himself a disservice by training as a Mercenary(obviously not money wise)

I also noticed in a recent interview on boxingtalk Roach was asked how James was following his ban and he said he hadn't heard from him since the Batchelder fight. They then asked him if the two of the were still friends and he said 'As far as I know'.

Fortune quit because he was angry that Roach left him with all his fighters to train when he went off to work with Oscar, yet wanted all the trainers fees for 'training' the fighters he abandoned when he left.

He just seems.......I don't know like not a sincere man. I always used to think him and Manny were real tight, the same with him and Toney but it turns out that Arum want's Pacquiao to distance himself from Roach, Freddie doesn't even bother to call Toney when he gets banned, he just seems a little off to me.

Contrast him with say Billy Graham who you could picture walking into a lions den with Ricky in a do or die effort, or Winky and Birmingham who seem to have a real bond.

People critiscise fighters for working with their fathers but honestly at least they are truly 100% behind you even if they may lack expertise and objectivity.