What the heck is Manny doing?

[El Gamo]

This fight isn't cut and dry by a long shot. Only a fool would write off Barrera. This is a fight that wont fail to live up to expectations.

Its his final fight and he will be ready to deliver whatever it takes and in the best possible condition.

Well I don't think its 100% it will live up to expectations, which is why there have been threads questioning the fight being made. Manny wiped the floor with MAB when they first fought, beating him from pillar to post and has increased his skill level alot since then.

[BoomBoom]

Barrera looks so old at the press conference. He looked about as old as Oscars smile did fake posing with Arum.

[:::PSL:::]

This fight isn't cut and dry by a long shot. Only a fool would write off Barrera. This is a fight that wont fail to live up to expectations.

Its his final fight and he will be ready to deliver whatever it takes and in the best possible condition.

Well,... Hmmm... let's see here...

There won't be any wild forestry fire at MAB's training camp up in Big Bear, no marriage problem, his metal plate on his head is fully healed, he knocked down JMM, he's vindictive from his TKO loss from Pac and will be retiring this year.

Oh yeah,.. MAB got enough reasons to win!

But please NO more excuses from his fans if he get his but whipped for the second time.

Peace.

[Gandalf]

This fight isn't cut and dry by a long shot. Only a fool would write off Barrera. This is a fight that wont fail to live up to expectations.

Its his final fight and he will be ready to deliver whatever it takes and in the best possible condition.

Well I don't think its 100% it will live up to expectations, which is why there have been threads questioning the fight being made. Manny wiped the floor with MAB when they first fought, beating him from pillar to post and has increased his skill level alot since then.

Thats your opinion.

Ive made my reasons known for the need for this fight. I expect that it will be VERY entertaining.

So what if Manny stopped Barrera? Didnt Morales beat Pac first time out? Tables can always be turned. Barrera is an expert at evolving his game. Barrera will box.

You continue to underestimate Barrera. You are a Morales man at the end of the day!

[the wiz]

It also sounds like he pissed a few Phillapinos off, he was supposed to be the captain for the "world cup of boxing" but just went awol back to the the Phillapines.

I also read on another website that Freddy Roach said they didn't have an argument and he might join Manny out there. This all seems pretty odd, and not the right mindset Manny needs to have against MAB, who will be giving everything he has for this fight.

No, your information is quite wrong.Manny was not supposed to be the captain for the world cup. The organizers were just thinking if they could replace the 7th pair because one mexican contender had some problems with his eyes. The reason why the world cup had only 6 fights instead of 7.

I am sensing that Manny is somewhat problematic. I don't know. I have this weird feeling that he will lose this fight with MAB. Same feeling I had when he lost to Erik Morales during their first fight.

I may be affected by my knowledge that Manny is into too much drinking, vices,etc these days. Plus he was greatly affected when he lost the election for Congress. Whew! If I am to assess the winning chances of Manny right now based on my gut feeling, 30% will be his maximum chance.

Well this was from boxingscene.com, so I'm not sure how wrong my info is....

Manny Pacquiao who was named captain of Team Philippines in the World Cup showdown against Mexico at the Arco Arena on Sunday discarded the honor and flew back to Manila without informing either trainer Freddie Roach or Golden Boy Promotions Oscar De La Hoya who were scheduled to fly in a private jet to Los Angeles to pick up Pacquiao and take him to Sacramento.

Filipino fight fans were disappointed when Pacquiao failed to show up at the weigh in while Juan Manuel Marquez who had replaced Marco Antonio Barrera as Mexico’s team captain was there. The disappointment turned to anger when he failed to show up in support of his fellow Filipino boxers with fans blasting him for being unpatriotic, unprofessional and a swellhead.

Bottom line is it's not a good thing that he's leving Wild Card gym. I thought one of the reasons he doesn't train in the Phillippines is too many distractions.

[:::PSL:::]

This fight isn't cut and dry by a long shot. Only a fool would write off Barrera. This is a fight that wont fail to live up to expectations.

Its his final fight and he will be ready to deliver whatever it takes and in the best possible condition.

Well I don't think its 100% it will live up to expectations, which is why there have been threads questioning the fight being made. Manny wiped the floor with MAB when they first fought, beating him from pillar to post and has increased his skill level alot since then.

Thats your opinion.

Ive made my reasons known for the need for this fight. I expect that it will be VERY entertaining.

So what if Manny stopped Barrera? Didnt Morales beat Pac first time out? Tables can always be turned. Barrera is an expert at evolving his game. Barrera will box.

You continue to underestimate Barrera. You are a Morales man at the end of the day!

Cross those fingers and hope that that table is not made of 1 piece heavy steel and not permanently impaled in the concrete pavement.

I agree, EM beat Pac, and Pac was the one who turned the table.

[El Gamo]

Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.

As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.

I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.

[:::PSL:::]

Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.

As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.

I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.

Bulls eye!

Cc +1918

[Gandalf]

This fight isn't cut and dry by a long shot. Only a fool would write off Barrera. This is a fight that wont fail to live up to expectations.

Its his final fight and he will be ready to deliver whatever it takes and in the best possible condition.

Well I don't think its 100% it will live up to expectations, which is why there have been threads questioning the fight being made. Manny wiped the floor with MAB when they first fought, beating him from pillar to post and has increased his skill level alot since then.

Thats your opinion.

Ive made my reasons known for the need for this fight. I expect that it will be VERY entertaining.

So what if Manny stopped Barrera? Didnt Morales beat Pac first time out? Tables can always be turned. Barrera is an expert at evolving his game. Barrera will box.

You continue to underestimate Barrera. You are a Morales man at the end of the day!

Cross those fingers and hope that that table is not made of 1 piece heavy steel and not permanently impaled in the concrete pavement.

I agree, EM beat Pac, and Pac was the one who turned the table.

Pac did indeed turn the tables against Morales. Barrera is able to adapt better than Morales though. Barrera wont be trading in round 2 with Pac!!

But they will trade in the fight.

[:::PSL:::]

This fight isn't cut and dry by a long shot. Only a fool would write off Barrera. This is a fight that wont fail to live up to expectations.

Its his final fight and he will be ready to deliver whatever it takes and in the best possible condition.

Well I don't think its 100% it will live up to expectations, which is why there have been threads questioning the fight being made. Manny wiped the floor with MAB when they first fought, beating him from pillar to post and has increased his skill level alot since then.

Thats your opinion.

Ive made my reasons known for the need for this fight. I expect that it will be VERY entertaining.

So what if Manny stopped Barrera? Didnt Morales beat Pac first time out? Tables can always be turned. Barrera is an expert at evolving his game. Barrera will box.

You continue to underestimate Barrera. You are a Morales man at the end of the day!

Cross those fingers and hope that that table is not made of 1 piece heavy steel and not permanently impaled in the concrete pavement.

I agree, EM beat Pac, and Pac was the one who turned the table.

Pac did indeed turn the tables against Morales. Barrera is able to adapt better than Morales though. Barrera wont be trading in round 2 with Pac!!

But they will trade in the fight.

I agree with you. Good example is when MAB fought Juarez for the second time. But the problem is Juarez aint' that agressive and powerful as Pac.

[:::PSL:::]

It also sounds like he pissed a few Phillapinos off, he was supposed to be the captain for the "world cup of boxing" but just went awol back to the the Phillapines.

I also read on another website that Freddy Roach said they didn't have an argument and he might join Manny out there. This all seems pretty odd, and not the right mindset Manny needs to have against MAB, who will be giving everything he has for this fight.

No, your information is quite wrong.Manny was not supposed to be the captain for the world cup. The organizers were just thinking if they could replace the 7th pair because one mexican contender had some problems with his eyes. The reason why the world cup had only 6 fights instead of 7.

I am sensing that Manny is somewhat problematic. I don't know. I have this weird feeling that he will lose this fight with MAB. Same feeling I had when he lost to Erik Morales during their first fight.

I may be affected by my knowledge that Manny is into too much drinking, vices,etc these days. Plus he was greatly affected when he lost the election for Congress. Whew! If I am to assess the winning chances of Manny right now based on my gut feeling, 30% will be his maximum chance.

Well this was from AUTO MESSAGE: SORRY THIS SITE NAME AND ANY CONTENT FROM IT IS BANNED FROM THIS FORUM PLEASE DELETE.com, so I'm not sure how wrong my info is....

Manny Pacquiao who was named captain of Team Philippines in the World Cup showdown against Mexico at the Arco Arena on Sunday discarded the honor and flew back to Manila without informing either trainer Freddie Roach or Golden Boy Promotions Oscar De La Hoya who were scheduled to fly in a private jet to Los Angeles to pick up Pacquiao and take him to Sacramento.

Filipino fight fans were disappointed when Pacquiao failed to show up at the weigh in while Juan Manuel Marquez who had replaced Marco Antonio Barrera as Mexico’s team captain was there. The disappointment turned to anger when he failed to show up in support of his fellow Filipino boxers with fans blasting him for being unpatriotic, unprofessional and a swellhead.

Bottom line is it's not a good thing that he's leving Wild Card gym. I thought one of the reasons he doesn't train in the Phillippines is too many distractions.

What a mind boggling mystery. I can understand it if his reason is family.

FAMILY FIRST!

[Gandalf]

Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.

As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.

I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.

"Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again".

A very stupid line, El Gamo, and not very funny.


He did better against than Marquez than you imagine. I started a thread about that fight and could you respond with a card of your own? No. But instead you told how Marquez was landing the harder punches down the stretch. Barrera held his own against Marquez and is near the top of his game. He believes he can win and would have not taken the fight if he didnt think he could win. I think he has every chance of pulling off a win. You are being the unrealistic sort by saying Manny wins by KO 100%

[Julius Rain]

Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.

As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.

I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.

"Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again".

A very stupid line, El Gamo, and not very funny.


He did better against than Marquez than you imagine. I started a thread about that fight and could you respond with a card of your own? No. But instead you told how Marquez was landing the harder punches down the stretch. Barrera held his own against Marquez and is near the top of his game. He believes he can win and would have not taken the fight if he didnt think he could win. I think he has every chance of pulling off a win. You are being the unrealistic sort by saying Manny wins by KO 100%

Miles I'm with El gamo I think a 100% pacman will end mab again. Look man, watch how mabs speed have decrease, both him and jmm. Watch the fight again man, and then watch how fast and strong pac is in his recent fights. Solis isn't exactly anywhere near the level of jmm and mab but his undefeated nevertheless. Watch how fast and strong pac is in that fight, then watch how slow and aged jmm and mab look against eachother.

I just think Pac is too strong and even faster then how he was when he first demolish mab. Mabs chance of winning is lesser then before since he has waited for so long for this rematch, its true pac has gotten better and mab has only gotten worst. Even though a mab win to set up a trilogy would be great for the fans, but I don't think pac is going to let himself be beaten again.

I think if mab trys to box, the striaght left is going to make him jab more but once mab gets too aggressive a counter right hook from pac is going to get mab in serious trouble. Remember Mab couldn't stop pacs straight left before, now he also has to deal with a counter right hook. Can mab at this age neutralize two very fast dangerous weapons from pacman? And don't forget all those body shots pac throws while in close. You do'nt know FPJ but I'm sure thats where pac learned how to throw body shots from in close

[:::PSL:::]

Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.

As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.

I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.

"Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again".

A very stupid line, El Gamo, and not very funny.


He did better against than Marquez than you imagine. I started a thread about that fight and could you respond with a card of your own? No. But instead you told how Marquez was landing the harder punches down the stretch. Barrera held his own against Marquez and is near the top of his game. He believes he can win and would have not taken the fight if he didnt think he could win. I think he has every chance of pulling off a win. You are being the unrealistic sort by saying Manny wins by KO 100%

Miles I'm with El gamo I think a 100% pacman will end mab again. Look man, watch how mabs speed have decrease, both him and jmm. Watch the fight again man, and then watch how fast and strong pac is in his recent fights. Solis isn't exactly anywhere near the level of jmm and mab but his undefeated nevertheless. Watch how fast and strong pac is in that fight, then watch how slow and aged jmm and mab look against eachother.

I just think Pac is too strong and even faster then how he was when he first demolish mab. Mabs chance of winning is lesser then before since he has waited for so long for this rematch, its true pac has gotten better and mab has only gotten worst. Even though a mab win to set up a trilogy would be great for the fans, but I don't think pac is going to let himself be beaten again.

I think if mab trys to box, the striaght left is going to make him jab more but once mab gets too aggressive a counter right hook from pac is going to get mab in serious trouble. Remember Mab couldn't stop pacs straight left before, now he also has to deal with a counter right hook. Can mab at this age neutralize two very fast dangerous weapons from pacman? And don't forget all those body shots pac throws while in close. You do'nt know FPJ but I'm sure thats where pac learned how to throw body shots from in close

LOL! FPJ

He used to beat the sh1t out of the Diaz brothers (Paquito and Romy).

[Pavlik]

If PAC decides to leave his fans and teammates hanging and loses respect for the sport. I really wouldnt mind seeing him get KTFO in the first round.