Quote Originally Posted by Sharla
As I said before evolution is not the big bang theory. Also saying you dislike the theory is not enough to disprove it. You need proof you can't randomly form new life to say you can't randomly form new life. I've never seen a million dollars but that doesn't mean it's not out there! Really the odds of any of us ever being that rich are pretty low but sometimes the improbable happens.

I like to think a higher power of some kind had something to do with it but I can't say for a fact that it couldn't be random either.
Hey Sharla, glad to see you are still alive on this thread. Please don't take any of this personally I never meant to imply that scientists in general or you specifically were evil or that you are a liar

You post was interesting, to be honest your knowledge of biological processes far exceeds mine as I have no biological qualifications. My interest resides purely within the creation evolution debate and so I think we are both debating each other with only a limited understanding of the other's area of knowledge.

You are absolutely right in that I am not a fan of Richard Dawkins but you are wrong to think that creation and evolution are even remotely compatible. Ironically the ones who understand this best are not religious leaders and Christians in general but evolutionists like Dawkins.

Even the most casual glance at the fundamental beliefs of Christianity shows that it is simply not compatible at all with evolution in the molecule to man sense.

The bible say sin (and therefore death) entered into the world as a result of Adam's transgression. If we evolved then death was not only present long before Adam, but was also the necessary means by which God brought us into being, the seemingly mindless deaths of millions upon millions of organisms over hundreds of millions of years culminated in man being brought into the world.

I also disagree with your statement that the Big Bang and evolution are seperate. They are not. According to evolutionary theory life emerged from non life. We are the product of a purely material universe and ultimately come from star dust. The two theories are intertwined and cannot be seperated.

If the Big Bang theory is not true (in as much as it was an unguided purely materialistic event) then evolution cannot be true either. The whole purpose of evolution is to attempt to find a solution to how life could have formed by purely chemical and physical processes without design and intervention from any intelligent designer.

If the early earth enviroment as predited by the Big Bang theory is not correct then evolution fails at the first hurdle.

It seems to me that the source of disagreement between you and myself is that you always equate natural selection, adaptation etc with macro evolution and they are not the same thing.

Everything you have put in your posts I have agreed with. I do not disagree with a single one of your points, what I am arguing is that none of those points constitute macro evolution in a molecule to man sense.

I certainly don't dispute that organisms can change over time, it is an observable fact, completely undisputed. In fact a proper understanding of Christianty necessitates this kind of change, if creatures couldn't adapt the world would have long ceased to be habitable for us as everything would just die out the moment their enviroments changed.

In order for life to continue to exist organisms NEED to be able to change.

Where I disgaree, as I have said many times is that this adaptation to enviroment by natural selection is NOT the catalyst for the development and evolution of all life on earth.

In other words I believe that each animal and plant kind were created seperately and did not evolve from each other. They can change and adapt to their enviroment but subject to certain restrictions and limitations.
They cannot, no matter how much time or how many generations are allowed can ever develop into a seperate kind of organism, I don't mean species ( I believe dogs and wolves share the same ancestor, as do horses, donkeys and maybe zebra's etc).

Moreover I don't believe this because of religious bias, I believe this in the light of the scientific evidence that we have available. My belief in God came AFTER my disbelief in evolution.