Mayweather Vs Hatton Story

[Mikefields]

First i would like to say thanks to everyone who wrote "nice article" , it was my first post on this site and the boxing fans here are awesome !

Second , what does "cc" mean?

and 3rd (pound for pound list)
it should be something like this :
If Mayweather loses -

1-Hopkins
2-Pacquiao (if he wins his fight)
3-Hatton
4-Mayweather

If Mayweather wins -

1-Mayweather
2-Hopkins
3-Pacquiao (if he wins his fight)
---hatton would drop between 7-10

Those are just estimations of course but i think it's important to remember taht Hopkins is still alive and kicking and though he's getting older , he still ranks as one of the best fighters in boxing!

[Wayne]

Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

If mayweather losses, he will go down to number 2, Pacman will be number 1 especially if he defeats Barrera convincingly. Hatton will be ranked around 4 to 7.

This is what makes me laugh about P4P ratings, how can you possibly say that hatton would be ranked lower than floyd if hatton beats him and stays undefeated? Its ludicrous!

Easy. Hatton's resume is nowhere near PBF's. Just because you beat the man does not make you the man. Part of Hatton's problem is Hatton. If he held a little less and won people would give him more of a break. As it stands, you can count on himgrabbing after virtually every punch.

And if Oscar couldn't do it when PBF was out of his natural weight, what makes anyone think Hatton could when he's most comfortable? Hatton is shorter, slower, has stamina issues and is all too willing to get hit. Sure, he takes a good punch, but at the end of the day that'll just make him a professional punching bag. All this hype is VERY reminiscent of people touting how Gatti would be the first to do it. The morning after it'll be like people awoke from a fever dream and couldn't believe what they thought would happen.

And I'm not some American who automatically picks the American over the other guy. Since Lacy I've picked Calzaghe over everyone he's even been rumored to be in against. Hatton is just nowhere near a Calzaghe, not even a poor man's version.

[ICB]

yes but if hatton beats him then he is surely better than him and considering he would be still UNBEATEN he has to rank higher. you cant keep someone higher because of who has beaten in the past. That would be something you do for an all time P4P not a current P4P list?

That never happens like that Forrest beat Mosley who was top 3 p4p Forrest didn't go that high it doesn't work that way.

[ACEA]

i agree even if pacman beat barrera hopkins would still be no 1 as barrera lost to marquez pac has to beat him to take the no 1 spot that of course is if Mayweather loses which is very unlikely and i think deep down a lot of people know this. I dont even think Hatton has earned his right to face Mayweather, Sugar Shane Mosley should have had this fight i mean beating a over the hill Castillo (the guy couldnt make weight for the Corrales fights and didnt look good in his last fight before hatton) and an aging Kostya shouldn't get you a shot i the P4P best. Trust me Hatton is going to get schooled, he has never fought a fighter like Mayweather who moves around a lot and is so elusive and accurate. Sure hatton may have been relentless in his biggest fights (Kostya and Castillo) but they stood in front of him and tried to land big shots. How will hattons stamina bare up against floyd who he is going to be chasing around the ring all night long? Will he be able to use his high work rate to the body after 5 or 6 rounds of chasing floyd down? We know Mayweather can box and move all nights long but will hatton be able to keep up with Floyd and throw punches for 12 rounds the evidence suggests he will struggle. I respect Hatton for his style and his self belief but even he must be starting to think he may have bitten off a little bit more than he can chew

[frozensolid_702]

If Mayweather wins -

1-Mayweather
2-Hopkins
3-Pacquiao (if he wins his fight)
---hatton would drop between 7-10

I have a hard time ranking Hopkins as #2 p4p when he has 2 wins and 2 losses in his last 4 fights.




Jermain Taylor should be ranked higher than B-Hop on p4p lists. Here's how my top 3 would go (assuming Mayweather wins)

1.) Mayweather

2.) Pacquio

3.) Juan Manuel Marquez

[Mikefields]

I see Hopkins as one of the bests still , i don't think , especially after watching those 2 losses , i dont think it diminishes what Hopkins has accomplished in his career , and i Certainly don't think it puts Jermain Taylor ahead of hopkins ; his two fights vs Hopkins could have easely gone either way , his fight against Wright was a draw which i believed he really lost , and his fights vs Spinks and Ouma wow...enough said

[yoitsdan]

another excellent point.. man u seem really confident! how do you see this ending?

I see it ending with Mayweather winning on cut stoppage or winning 12 ud remember how Hatton was out on his feet against Collazo at Welterweight who isn't hard hitter at all and Mayweather's power is underrated he may not be really hard hitter but he has decent enough power to make you respect him i mean he moved up to 154 way above his natural weight and managed to rock Oscar few times i don't really know how Hatton will win because others have tried Hatton's tactic of swarming and have failed and i don't think Hatton will be able to clinch constantly either because thats a tactic which he uses alot and in USA i don't think the ref will allow it to be honest i think fighter like Mosley who has lighting speed or tall fighter like Williams will give Mayweather the most trouble.

43 fights, Hatton has never been stopped on a cut, and when was the last time someone bled in a Mayweather fight? For years people have been saying Hatton will be stopped on a cut, the last time he was cut was against Carlos Maussa back in 2005. If you go on common sense rather than what the so called experts say the last thing we can expect is Hatton to be stopped on a cut.

[ICB]

another excellent point.. man u seem really confident! how do you see this ending?

I see it ending with Mayweather winning on cut stoppage or winning 12 ud remember how Hatton was out on his feet against Collazo at Welterweight who isn't hard hitter at all and Mayweather's power is underrated he may not be really hard hitter but he has decent enough power to make you respect him i mean he moved up to 154 way above his natural weight and managed to rock Oscar few times i don't really know how Hatton will win because others have tried Hatton's tactic of swarming and have failed and i don't think Hatton will be able to clinch constantly either because thats a tactic which he uses alot and in USA i don't think the ref will allow it to be honest i think fighter like Mosley who has lighting speed or tall fighter like Williams will give Mayweather the most trouble.

43 fights, Hatton has never been stopped on a cut, and when was the last time someone bled in a Mayweather fight? For years people have been saying Hatton will be stopped on a cut, the last time he was cut was against Carlos Maussa back in 2005. If you go on common sense rather than what the so called experts say the last thing we can expect is Hatton to be stopped on a cut.

I said that as an option thats why i always said either cut stoppage win or ud win Hatton has been badly cut before but the opposition he was up against haven't been able to take advantage of that if Hatton gets cut against Mayweather early thats it all over.

[slk123]

Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p?

Nope didn't happen to Forrest when he beat Shane Mosley who was top 3 p4p if i remember right but Hatton would probably be top 5 easily.



What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch.

Well if he lost the Hatton fight he would rematch him straight away and if he lost the rematch it would probably be the end of Mayweathers career.



But i doubt very much Mayweather will lose to Hatton but if you flip the coin the same could be said about Hatton aswell unless he puts up good showings then thats different and ditto to Mayweather.

In this case I agree with you except for Hatton becoming obscure, I believe most figthers that are given a chance against the considered favorite especially someone like mayweather, they would say oh well, he lost to the best and Ricky would continue on.

Side note, I really appreciate your replies to not only my posts but to others as well. You can give a good argument (right or not...he he) without stuping to the lowest form of posting entertainment, calling people names. I retaliate when attacked viciously but to rebuttals such as yours and others like you, I feel like I walked away with a bit more than I came in with. Hats off to you sir!

[brucelee]

yes but if hatton beats him then he is surely better than him and considering he would be still UNBEATEN he has to rank higher. you cant keep someone higher because of who has beaten in the past. That would be something you do for an all time P4P not a current P4P list?

That's how p4p ranking goes. A fighter needs to prove(consistently) before being promoted to higher rank. Hatton can not simply be automatically the number 1 after beating the pound for pound best. For example, let us suppose Mayweather will be paid to lose his fight with Hatton by some Mafia or syndicated organization (this happened during La Motta's time) and he is forced to accept it. What will happen? Hatton will be number 1?

No, the pound for pound ranking should be protected by not giving the top spot immediately to whoever will defeat the person who is currently holding the top spot. My argument and illustration may have been too exaggerated. I have done it so as not to explain further.

[ICB]

Props for a well written article. I look forward to more posts by you.

Your article leads me to this:

I have a couple of questions for pbf fans. If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p? What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch. Does he fall into obscurity like RJJ?

If Hatton wins, does this make him immediate top p4p?

Nope didn't happen to Forrest when he beat Shane Mosley who was top 3 p4p if i remember right but Hatton would probably be top 5 easily.



What happens to Floyd afterward if he does lose and for the sake of argument, loses the rematch.

Well if he lost the Hatton fight he would rematch him straight away and if he lost the rematch it would probably be the end of Mayweathers career.



But i doubt very much Mayweather will lose to Hatton but if you flip the coin the same could be said about Hatton aswell unless he puts up good showings then thats different and ditto to Mayweather.

In this case I agree with you except for Hatton becoming obscure, I believe most figthers that are given a chance against the considered favorite especially someone like mayweather, they would say oh well, he lost to the best and Ricky would continue on.

Side note, I really appreciate your replies to not only my posts but to others as well. You can give a good argument (right or not...he he) without stuping to the lowest form of posting entertainment, calling people names. I retaliate when attacked viciously but to rebuttals such as yours and others like you, I feel like I walked away with a bit more than I came in with. Hats off to you sir!

Thanks bro i never get into name calling im just hear to talk about the sport i love and have some good debates name calling gets you no where.

[Mikefields]

true

[Taeth]

The table is set , the time for rumors and speculations is over. Another super fight hype has been born in what many boxing experts believe to be the end of "Pretty Boy" Floyd's reign at the top of the pound for pound chart. It's Mayweather vs Hatton , Lightning vs Thunder , the Slickster vs the Clubber!

It's been a few months now since the Hatton-Castillo fight. Since then , there has been a lot of talk between both camps about the money , the weight , Floyd's comeback.. First , it was impossible to take Mayweather's retirement seriously , at 30 , his record stands at an impressive 38 victories , 0 losses and 24 wins by knockout. He's already beatten today's bests , but there is still strong opposition in the 147 lbs devision ; Shane Mosley 44-4 , Miguel Cotto 30-0 , Paul Williams 33-0 and perhaps even Demetrius Hopkins 27-0 to a lesser extent.

It's now official ; Mayweather will fight Ricky hatton 43-0 on december 8th , the weight will be 147 lbs , the venue will be the MGM grand in Vegas , 40% of the fans will be from England and out of the remaining 60% , 40% will be Hatton lovers/Mayweather haters. How important is this? Having 80% of the crowd on Ricky's side will be extremely dangerous for Floyd , it's not only bad for morale , it can also have an effect on judging. Remember may 5th at the Delahoya-Mayweather bout where 99.9% of boxing experts had Floyd ahead 116-112 , Tom Kaczmarek , most likely influenced by the Delahoya crowd had Oscar winning 115-113.

Other than the crowd , Floyd will have a hard time against Hatton's infamous "hook and hold" style , cutting the ring off constantly will force Floyd to use short hooks and uppercuts. There will be little or no running around the ring , they will fight on the inside , hitting in the clutch , Mayweather will have to fight off the ropes most of the time.. Long story short , it's setting up to be a nightmare fight for "Pretty Boy Floyd".

All that aside , the fight will take place at Floyd's most comfortable weight , and Ricky's least comfortable weight , and thought the odds are stacked up against Mayweather , he's been in pretty bad situations before , he's more talented , more skilled , he has more experience , he's faster , more accurate , lighter on his toes , he's been in the ring with the best and he's beatten them all and most importantly , he's been able to adapt to any of his opponent's styles.

Of course , no one is invincible , legends like Ali , Leonard , Robinson have losses on their records , the chances of a 30 year old pound for pound king staying undefeated until retirement are pretty low and should Mayweather win this bout , he will probably either retire or take the winner of the Mosley-Cotto fight and then things could get even more complicated...

Keys to victory Mayweather
- Create distance
- Score with jabs
- Short hooks

Keys to victory Hatton
- Hook and hold
- Cut off the ring
- Crowd

What this fight means for the winner:
If 28 year old Ricky Hatton wins this fight , it means bigger paydays in america , bigger names will want to fight him , it will silence most crittics , he will continue his ascension in the ranks , capturing and defending titles but he will likely drop back to light welterweight as he is much stronger in that division. In a nut shell , an excellent career awaits Hatton if he wins on december 8th .. As for one day becoming pound for pound champ , it's doubtful at best.

If 30 year old Floyd Mayweather Jr. wins this fight , he will get back on top of the pound for pound ranks (some see Hopkins as king after his win over Winky Wright) but it will not silence the crittics as they will never be satisfied until someone beats him. Floyd will most likely "retire" again after this fight leaving his career as one of the best fighters to ever lace boxing gloves.

Mayweather better than Ali?
NO! First , boxing fans will never have a fighter replace Ali as the #1 fighter of all times.
If we look at it statistically though , Mayweather has had an incredible career , but for him to surpass Ali as the all time best , he would have to beat Hatton 43-0 , the winner of the Mosley 44-4 Cotto 43-0 fight and then he would have to defeat Paul Williams 33-0. Winning those three fights would put Floyd on top of the all time's best list , but to most people , Ali will never be surpassed.

How is this Mayweather's most comfortable weight? He could be fighting at 135 still if he hadn't wanted to go up and fight Oscar and Judah. You are argument shows no intelligence. Who compares Hopkins now to Mayweather? Hopkins had a close fight with Winky... He is third at best behind Pacquaio who obviously deserves #2 still. Who ever compared Mayweather to Ali? Maybe to Robinson is a different story because comparing a heavyweight with a lightweight is a stupid comparison. Also Robinson is heralded by almost everyone as the best ever. Also most people don't think of this as a nightmare for Mayweather, and they believe Hatton was will be a lot easier than Cotto who has shown much better against speed boxers and Mosley is who very fast.

[7777]

Easy. Hatton's resume is nowhere near PBF's. Just because you beat the man does not make you the man. Part of Hatton's problem is Hatton. If he held a little less and won people would give him more of a break. As it stands, you can count on himgrabbing after virtually every punch.

Only if you have watched his last couple of fights. He isn't a clincher, have a search for his pre-Stateside fights

[Pugilistic]

i have to admit that, that post was very impressive. CC bud