Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock
Quote Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Sorry JT, but there isn't too much point to this discussion since Sultan is gonna win which would give Holyfield yet another loss (I think that would be like his 10th or something)

As far as p4p status.......

He might crack the top 200. Jumping from cruiserweight all the way up to heavyweight is not a real p4p achievement because that's world titles in only 2 weight classes. If he came from super middleweight or even light heavyweight (and was champ in both of those) up to heavyweight then he might start making some p4p noise.

Losses to Bowe twice (in Holyfield's prime)+

Lost to Michael Moorer (also in his prime)+

and then a slew of losses to other various heavyweights (Byrd, Toney *a real all time p4p great* Donald, etc. etc.)+


= not p4p greatness


Having said that, if he does actually beat Sultan without the judges giving Evander some terrible gift decision, I will commend Holyfield and be the first to say that he may be in the top 25 heavyweights of all time.
And he beat Bowe, and avenged his loss to Moorer by destroying him and ruining him to SHOT status


He beat (robbed) Bowe the 2nd time they fought. Bowe came back the 3rd time and KOed Evander.

75 year old George Foreman reduced Michael Moorer to shot status, Evander was just picking up scraps