Wladimir Klitschko. Questions asked...questions answered...what are the answers?

[OumaFan]

what's the difference between tying up and holding Its holding, period

when some guy is throwing bombs and you can get his arms in a position where he cant throw? thats not holding.

What?

When you can get a guys arms into a position where he can't throw by HOLDING his arms that's not holding?

no man. wlad was getting under byrds arms so he couldnt throw. he wasnt hugging him like some long lost friend. and after a while he was just pushing bryd off. the rest is history.

Getting under his arms so he couldn't throw

He was holding excessively, period. Ruiz is the worst no doubt, but Wlad in the last few fights has held whenever a guy gets inside, whether he holds a guys arm from the bottom up or not is irrelevant. He was holding Byrd so he couldn't throw punches, you admitted that yourself. How is holding a guys arms so he can't throw punches defensible?

Wlad's good but excessive holding, really any holding, should be penalized. I guess unless you're holding from underneath a guys arms