Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I actually feel bit sorry for Pryor Mick Leonard didn't want anything to do with him he was supposed to fight Ray Boom Boom Mancini but Mancini got upset by Bramble alot of fighters ducked Pryor i agree he is bit overrated but i think he is best Junior Welterweight ever.
I understand where you are coming from with Pryor but then you'd have to do the same for everyone else. The thing is you gotta measure them all the same.

Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
but i think he is best Junior Welterweight ever.
Well to each is own, but I mean an arguement can be made for Tszyu and Cervantes.

Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I also think Zarate is overrated aswell he had impressive ko record but lets be honest they were against cab drivers
Well for his early fights I would say he was fighting fighters that up and comers fight.
When he beat Martinez for the title Martinez was no push over and Martinez was on a roll defending his title. Having just beat Herrera who had previously beaten him twice if memory serves me right. Not only did Zarate beat Martinez but he KO'd him and Zarate also went on to defend his title I think 9 times and all of those wins also came by KO and these guys were no longer cab drivers as you say these were World Class fighters. Somewhere in there you will find that he fought Alfonso Zamora who many people don't know was in reality a 'Unification' bout BUT the stupid WBC & WBA refused to acknowledge the showdown between these two but people knew who was the man in the Bantam div. once Zarate KO'd Zamora, he became the man there. He then moved up in weight to face Gomez who hit him while he was down and lost.

Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
And you know something else Mick i notice when alot of Boxing experts do these lists i think the old fighters get too much credit like from 30s 40s ect and newer fighters like in 80s don't get enough credit.
Well ICB, I agree with what your saying in someways but IMO, I always measure todays fighters by the old fighters and take it from there. Sometimes like in the case of let's say Pryor who do you measure him by?
Pinky?
Perkins?
Benitez?
So I personally just look at all the champs that have campaigned there and take it from there.