Firstly,Ray's talent in itself was P4P. He is fully deserving of the sugar moniker. He could fight going forwards,backwards,incredible handspeed,jab,footwork,power. He could box Hagler,he could brawl with Hearns etc. He won mutliple weights and ususally fought the dangermen in that class.

Secondly,to say wins over the ATG Duran,Benitez,Hagler and Hearns are over rated is ridiculous. And anyone who calls the Hagler fight a robbery is ridiculous. It was a close fight which imo,Marvin started too late in. To come back from all the layoffs and still box Hagler like that is incredible.

Heck even his losses were to Camacho who could have been a superstar,Terry Noris who was superb and Duran,who is easily top 15 ATG. Even he was given the L against Hearns the second time,I'd still have SRL top 15 ATG for sure.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr140
Sugar didn't have as many fights but he did win a againts Benetiz,Duran,Hearns and Hagler and won belts in WW,LM,M,SM,LH so no i don't think his over rated and i think he is atleast 10 on the pound for pound list cause i can't think of 10 people that would be above him
CC,good points.