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    I was reading an old topic and some of the garbage that was being said was unbelievable.


    Larry holmes was a bum, most footage you see of him his getting whipped and going down like a bag of spuds,greatest of all time? stop smoking crack and start getting interested in boxing, larry holmes was a good fighter but he got beat too many times too be mentioned on the same page with some of them fighters.

    I mean what the hell is this ?? this guy hasn't got a clue what he is on about Holmes fought 75 times and only lost 6 times and was only stopped once when he was 2 years ring rusty and was 38 years old and just happened to be facing prime Mike Tyson who was in his absolute peak at that time Holmes defended his title 20 times yes ok he might not of had best era but did Louis have that much of better era either ?? and he isn't slated like Holmes is Holmes beat everyone that was put infront of him and didn't duck anyone and yes ok maybe he was a bit of a whiner and you guys don't like his attitude but he was still an exceptional fighter i mean Tyson wasn't nice outside or inside the ring but in his prime everyone agrees he was awesome so why can't we say the same about Holmes.

    And its not just reading that old topic either i have been noticing quite a bit of hate towards Holmes i think people are focusing too much on Holmes outside the ring and not focusing enough about Holmes inside the ring just watch Shavers vs Holmes 1 and tell me that wasn't a masterpiece ?? or watch Norton vs Holmes where before the fight Holmes had injury to his arm and wasn't 100 percent but still beat Norton more convincing than what Ali ever done forgetting the bs judges scorecards Holmes was ahead by atleast 2 or 3 rounds and Holmes showed amazing heart to come out for that 15th round and give everything he had and people say Holmes shouldn't of fought Ali ect ect but Ali was the only calling him out and calling him peanut head and going to his fights like one with Scott Ledoux and calling him out Holmes so he fought Ali if he hadn't of people would of been saying oh Holmes is ducking him ect ect and he beat him in bad way but not alot of people know that Holmes pleaded with the ref to stop the fight and was even pulling back his punches to try and not hurt Ali but yet people after the fight hated Holmes so much for that fight why ??

    Now onto these knockdowns which keeps being brought up Holmes was knocked down by one of the hardest punches ever landed in hw history and by one of the p4p hardest hitters in history Earnie Shavers and still got up at 4 and stopped Shavers now the Snipes fight i have watched this many times and Holmes was caught with a good punch but it was because he was taking Snipes lightly and later in that round he started to pound Snipes and comeback pretty quickly and people hate on this because he was knocked down by Snipes because he wasn't big name but wasn't Ali almost koed by Henry Cooper who was only good at domestic level who would be considered Lightheavyweight by todays standards every great fighter gets caught i think people hate too much on Holmes about the knockdown to Snipes.

    Only last thing is these Spinks fights i noticed people keep saying oh well Holmes lost to Lightheavyweight Spinks the man who Tyson koed in 1 ect ect well if they would actually watch the fights they would know they were gift decisions with second one being one of the worst robberys of all time the first fight was closer but Spinks didn't do enough to take the champions title and in rematch Holmes fought differently constantly being the aggressor winning round after round almost knocking Spinks down in the 14th and yet was robbed it was disgraceful i want people to actually watch 2nd Holmes vs Spinks fight and tell me that Spinks honestly won it ??

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    He is underrated.
    Good post ICE

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    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division and the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant ass and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division andthe sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant a** and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

    the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated,

    I remember Holmes giving Ali credit and speaking highly of him after there fight infact i have never heard him say bad word about Ali.


    The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    But forgetting that yes ok you may not like his attitude but this isn't popularity contest aslong as he is great in the ring who cares theres been alot of boxers worse than Holmes outside the ring and i mean alot.

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5.

    Who had better jab than Holmes in your opinion if you don't mind me asking ?? Holmes actually knocked down Ossie Ocasio with a jab Holmes had most powerful and the most snap to his jab than any other Heavyweight champions imo.



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    Holmes was a good/almost great champion. Anybody who can't see that is a fucking idiot. It's pretty much that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division andthe sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant a** and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

    the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated,

    I remember Holmes giving Ali credit and speaking highly of him after there fight infact i have never heard him say bad word about Ali.


    The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    But forgetting that yes ok you may not like his attitude but this isn't popularity contest aslong as he is great in the ring who cares theres been alot of boxers worse than Holmes outside the ring and i mean alot.

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5.

    Who had better jab than Holmes in your opinion if you don't mind me asking ?? Holmes actually knocked down Ossie Ocasio with a jab Holmes had most powerful and the most snap to his jab than any other Heavyweight champions imo.


    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning.

    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
    Holmes was a good/almost great champion. Anybody who can't see that is a fucking idiot. It's pretty much that simple.
    He was fantastic VD no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division andthe sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant a** and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

    the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated,

    I remember Holmes giving Ali credit and speaking highly of him after there fight infact i have never heard him say bad word about Ali.


    The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    But forgetting that yes ok you may not like his attitude but this isn't popularity contest aslong as he is great in the ring who cares theres been alot of boxers worse than Holmes outside the ring and i mean alot.

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5.

    Who had better jab than Holmes in your opinion if you don't mind me asking ?? Holmes actually knocked down Ossie Ocasio with a jab Holmes had most powerful and the most snap to his jab than any other Heavyweight champions imo.


    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning.

    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning. I

    Im not saying i agree with his attitude i don't like it either but when i see someone who is fantastic fighter like Holmes then i don't care what there like outside the ring i only care about what they do inside the ring.


    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Im not denying Ali didn't have great jab but i believe Holmes had more snappy jab than Ali and also a more powerful one but i believe Ali had faster jab.

    I do rate Ali with having the 2nd best jab in Heavyweight history with Holmes at number 1 but there could be a case made either way like you say.

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    Again, good fighter but horrible person that I will never be a fan of. Skill-wise i will respect him but i will not be a fan of his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    Again, good fighter but horrible person that I will never be a fan of. Skill-wise i will respect him but i will not be a fan of his.
    Fair enough for the good debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division andthe sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant a** and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

    the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated,

    I remember Holmes giving Ali credit and speaking highly of him after there fight infact i have never heard him say bad word about Ali.


    The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    But forgetting that yes ok you may not like his attitude but this isn't popularity contest aslong as he is great in the ring who cares theres been alot of boxers worse than Holmes outside the ring and i mean alot.

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5.

    Who had better jab than Holmes in your opinion if you don't mind me asking ?? Holmes actually knocked down Ossie Ocasio with a jab Holmes had most powerful and the most snap to his jab than any other Heavyweight champions imo.


    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning.

    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning. I

    Im not saying i agree with his attitude i don't like it either but when i see someone who is fantastic fighter like Holmes then i don't care what there like outside the ring i only care about what they do inside the ring.


    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Im not denying Ali didn't have great jab but i believe Holmes had more snappy jab than Ali and also a more powerful one but i believe Ali had faster jab.

    I do rate Ali with having the 2nd best jab in Heavyweight history with Holmes at number 1 but there could be a case made either way like you say.
    Worse behavior outside the ring? Come on? How can anybody not love that drop kick Holmes gave Trevor Berbick. All time classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division andthe sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant a** and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

    the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated,

    I remember Holmes giving Ali credit and speaking highly of him after there fight infact i have never heard him say bad word about Ali.


    The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    But forgetting that yes ok you may not like his attitude but this isn't popularity contest aslong as he is great in the ring who cares theres been alot of boxers worse than Holmes outside the ring and i mean alot.

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5.

    Who had better jab than Holmes in your opinion if you don't mind me asking ?? Holmes actually knocked down Ossie Ocasio with a jab Holmes had most powerful and the most snap to his jab than any other Heavyweight champions imo.


    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning.

    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning. I

    Im not saying i agree with his attitude i don't like it either but when i see someone who is fantastic fighter like Holmes then i don't care what there like outside the ring i only care about what they do inside the ring.


    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Im not denying Ali didn't have great jab but i believe Holmes had more snappy jab than Ali and also a more powerful one but i believe Ali had faster jab.

    I do rate Ali with having the 2nd best jab in Heavyweight history with Holmes at number 1 but there could be a case made either way like you say.
    Worse behavior outside the ring? Come on? How can anybody not love that drop kick Holmes gave Trevor Berbick. All time classic.
    Berbick was talking trash to Holmes he deserved that ass whooping it was classic *Larry holmes kicked me punched me*


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    Larry Holmes Vs Trevor Berbick


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XVCW95nHU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher136
    I fully believe you cannot be a diehard ali and holmes fan at the same time. After what ali did for the division andthe sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated, and calls himself (in an undirect way) the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. He completely disrespected champions that came before him and actually opened the door for him to even make a living and then retires to whine about how him being on top of the world for several years was one big "robery". The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5. You say he's in the top 3, I say he's in the top 10. He was skilled no doubt, 20 defenses against any opposition while owning a championship belt is impressive in most cases, but he's an arrogant a** and i don't mean ali arrogant, i mean arrogant on a whole nother level that makes it impossible to be a fan of his. Ali never bad mouthed the greats before him, just the ones he had to face (and beat). I can't stand him.

    the sport itself, holmes comes out, beats a shell of ali, calls him overrated,

    I remember Holmes giving Ali credit and speaking highly of him after there fight infact i have never heard him say bad word about Ali.


    The difference between holmes and all the other top 10 heavies of all time (whoever you may include) is that the others don't whine about the fact that they had it better than most people ever will even if it was only for a short period of time. Don't feel bad for me, i've lived the life of a king- tyson. Tyson can say that yet holmes has to feel like a victim?

    But forgetting that yes ok you may not like his attitude but this isn't popularity contest aslong as he is great in the ring who cares theres been alot of boxers worse than Holmes outside the ring and i mean alot.

    You say he has the greatest jab in heavyweight history, I'd put it in the top 5.

    Who had better jab than Holmes in your opinion if you don't mind me asking ?? Holmes actually knocked down Ossie Ocasio with a jab Holmes had most powerful and the most snap to his jab than any other Heavyweight champions imo.


    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning.

    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Worse behavior outside the ring of course, worse attitude, I have to disagree with you. There's been armed robers that are going in the hall of fame and mob linked guys that are still praised to this day. None of those guys complained about the gifts boxing has given them EXCEPT holmes. I can look past a guy who's been in a gang and what not but turned his life around (kinda), I cannot look past someone whinning about having the best gifts life has to offer and saying they should've had more. Great fighter yes no question but i just can't look past the whinning. I

    Im not saying i agree with his attitude i don't like it either but when i see someone who is fantastic fighter like Holmes then i don't care what there like outside the ring i only care about what they do inside the ring.


    I've seen ali win fights by tko in the early rounds by soley using his jab and i mean just his jab, without landing any right hand shots (i'll gladly look them up for you later if you're interested but it might take awhile). If thats not atleast the first or second best i dunno what is. You can have holmes/ali 1,2 and i wouldn't disagree with it.

    Im not denying Ali didn't have great jab but i believe Holmes had more snappy jab than Ali and also a more powerful one but i believe Ali had faster jab.

    I do rate Ali with having the 2nd best jab in Heavyweight history with Holmes at number 1 but there could be a case made either way like you say.
    Worse behavior outside the ring? Come on? How can anybody not love that drop kick Holmes gave Trevor Berbick. All time classic.
    I'll give him that, thats one of the funniest things i've ever seen.

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    Default Re: Why All This Hate For Larry Holmes ??

    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Larry Holmes Vs Trevor Berbick


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XVCW95nHU
    Oh man. That shit will make me laugh till the day I fucking die. Hilarious. Cc Ice

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