Quote Originally Posted by Stebs
The only thing Ali had over Holmes was charisma, no way did he have better skills then Holmes, Maybe a better chin and thats doubtful too, since he was put down on his a** a few times also, Oh yea he could dance and run better then Holmes, and no one ever seen Holmes get a gift decision, Nobody can say that about Ali. Ali lost at least two fights against Norton if not all three, Jimmy Young beat him easy and the decision went to Ali. He lost to a mere amateur in Leon Spinks. Ali was despised by most until Howard Cosell took him under his wing and made him popular by giving him special air time. Ali by far was one the biggest and greatest assholes of ALL TIME. He never did what Holmes did in or out of the ring. I never seen Holmes disrespect an opponent in the ring and I never seen Ali do for his community as Holmes did in his home town of Easton Pennsylvania. And to this day he continues to help other fighters along with his friend Cooney.

Why is Ali considered the greatest of all time, because he said he was?. Holmes in his prime would have beat all of the all time greats. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. So you guys can make a hundred top ten best heavies list of all time and if Larry Holmes is not on top it doesn't mean S*** to me.
and no one ever seen Holmes get a gift decision, Nobody can say that about Ali. Ali lost at least two fights against Norton if not all three, Jimmy Young beat him easy and the decision went to Ali. He lost to a mere amateur in Leon Spinks.

Only time Holmes had close decision's was against Witherspoon when i thought Holmes won by 1 round and against Carl Williams when i also thought he won by 1 round i do agree with Norton fights vs Ali i thought Ali lost 2 out of 3 in the trilogy and the Young fight well he made Ali look terrible and should of won the decison and even in Ali's so called unbeatable prime he had split decision win over Doug Jones and was knocked down by Lightheayweight Henry Cooper now im not hating on Ali put people do seem to forget these facts when debating about Ali.

Ali by far was one the biggest and greatest assholes of ALL TIME.

Well i wouldn't go that far but he certainly wasn't a nice person even though i respected his skill i mean look at what he did in Patterson fight he kept embarrassing Patterson by *saying whats my name* now if people think Holmes is such a bad person then why did he show mercy on Ali by pulling back on his punches and even pleading with the ref to stop the fight ?? Ali disrespected every single one of his opponents.