marciano vs schmeling

**rob7022000** · 04-13-2006 02:26 PM

People talk about Marciano being a powehouse, tough guy etc.

Check out his record and look at theguys he struggled against. People say that Louis had weak opposition...the point is that Louis DESTROYED them.

Of course Marciano looked tough against the opposition he was facing. He would be considered tough in other eras. The likes of Dempsey would destroy him.

People who consider schmeling a soft puncher should note that he had a decent number of KO's on his record.

**Kev** · 04-13-2006 05:07 PM

I just can't see the fighter who got battered by Woolcott for 13 rounds until he pulled out a knockout punch having any hope at all with some of the towering brilliant heavyweights that have come since.

Ali would have been too clever for him, Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis would have just been too big, and would have punished him with their jabs for 12 rounds, he wouldn't go 15 with Lewis or Holmes no way.

A prime Sonny Liston would have overpowered him,.

I like Marciano he was a great fighter and brilliant to watch but he wouldn't have coped with the very best heavyweights of all time.

**Sand Man** · 04-13-2006 08:43 PM

In talking specifically about Schmeling vs. Marciano, Marciano wins by banging him to the body (like Louis did). Schmeling did have a great right hand, but Marciano got dumped by left hooks. Right hands didn't bother him because he protected himself for the right hand by his crouching style.

**undefeated** · 04-13-2006 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by bilbo

I just can't see the fighter who got battered by Woolcott for 13 rounds until he pulled out a knockout punch having any hope at all with some of the towering brilliant heavyweights that have come since.

Ali would have been too clever for him, Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis would have just been too big, and would have punished him with their jabs for 12 rounds, he wouldn't go 15 with Lewis or Holmes no way.

A prime Sonny Liston would have overpowered him,.

I like Marciano he was a great fighter and brilliant to watch but he wouldn't have coped with the very best heavyweights of all time.

marciano was blinded for half the fight--when he got his eyesight back-he ko walcotts ass--if u've ever seen marciano-walcott 2--thats real evidence walcott was never a serious threat to rocky....nobody ever seems 2 mention the second fight at all

**undefeated** · 04-13-2006 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by rob7022000

People talk about Marciano being a powehouse, tough guy etc.

Check out his record and look at theguys he struggled against. People say that Louis had weak opposition...the point is that Louis DESTROYED them.

Of course Marciano looked tough against the opposition he was facing. He would be considered tough in other eras. The likes of Dempsey would destroy him.People who consider schmeling a soft puncher should note that he had a decent number of KO's on his record.

demsey was great but marciano would ko him. marciano is not jess willard--he can take a punch--i can c marciano, frazier, and tyson defeating dempsey
marciano-11
frazier -6
tyson-2

**bigragu** · 04-24-2006 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by rob7022000

People talk about Marciano being a powehouse, tough guy etc.

Check out his record and look at theguys he struggled against. People say that Louis had weak opposition...the point is that Louis DESTROYED them.

Of course Marciano looked tough against the opposition he was facing. He would be considered tough in other eras. The likes of Dempsey would destroy him.

People who consider schmeling a soft puncher should note that he had a decent number of KO's on his record.

did you look at Marciano's record before you wrote that?!! Unbelievable!! 49-0 43 KO'S Who did he struggle against. Jersey Joe? Remind me..How did that fight end? KO!! Archie Moore? KO!! Everybody has style conflicts that create close fights.. but, winners win those fights..You cannot compare the era's either...anyone remember the Joe Louis bum of the month club? ...Timing decides who's seen as great and who isn't.

**mokele** · 04-24-2006 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by X

If you watch video of Schmeling (and taking the jerky quality of the frames into consideration), he had a big right hand but not much else about his skills was world class.

He was not particularly big, average jabber, no KO in his left hand. Granted, he was tough as hell (apart from when he won his world title on the floor).

He would not have had enough firepower to keep Marciano off him for 12 rounds, never mind 15. I think Marciano wins 8 out of 10 fights against Max, by stoppage but not outright KO.

The 2 that Max wins would have been stoppages on cuts

This is pretty accurate. Those that think that Walcott was a bum are way off. He was an incredibly well-conditioned fighter, a rare case of a man who really didn't reach his prime until he was in his mid 30s. Walcott was chiseled and strong, someone who would be totally devastating if he were fighting as a cruiserweight today. It was a respectable achievement for Marciano to have beaten him.

From the fights of Schmeling that I saw, particularly his 1st fight with Sharkey and his fight with Young Stribling, I have concluded that Schmeling was a great fighter for his time. He rarely held and looked a bit like Dempsey, bobbing and weaving and coming in out of a crouch. He often held his left hand low. It's hard to pick him over Marciano though because of the difference in punching power. It might very well have been a serious war with little clinching and tons of punching. If that was the case I can't see Schmeling lasting more than a few rounds with Rocky.