Quote Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
At the risk of making this a Mosley vs Tito thread I'm gonna add my 2 cents into the argument.

First off, I don't think it is a fair comparison. Mosley was the best Lightweight of his time and Tito was the best Welterweight of his time and we should leave it at that.

In temrs of accomplishments Mosley has dominated the lightweight division, moved up 2 weight classes (At that time no one wanted any part of KT and who could blame him) to make a succesful campaign at a 147 title. However, he never could defend his titles at 147 and 154 for long after this. We should note that the quality of opposition that he faced had increased dramatically at this stage in his career.

He will always be well respected for taking on the best possible opponent even though it was not convinient or made the best money. He also constantly seeked rematches when he lossed or there was a doubt on the winner. This is something I wished with all my boxing fan hart that Tito would've done.

Trinidad had remarkably similar accomplishments. He cleaned out the 147 pound division. We should note that at the time, this division was jammed packed with talent. Say what you want about the DLH fight. He still won and IMO prooved to be the better man in the following years (not to mention that Tito had already had a fight at 154 and was having serious trouble making weight ever since the Whitaker fight).

He went on to steam roll through the 154 lb division. Reed and Vargas might have been a little green but they were both excelent, undefeated fighters. Why don't you try and tell Winky Wright that Vargas was just a good fighter and not all that great.

Tito then became a 160 pound champion when he beat William Joppy. Asside from his loss to Julio Cesar Green, Joppy had been a champion for almost as long as Bernard and was considered the seccond best 160 lber..... and Tito destroyed him.

We could say that Mosley was not any more successfull at 154 than Tito was at 160. Given that Mosley was number 2 to Wright like Tito was number 2 to B-Hop.

The one problem with Tito and the thing that bothers most people about him is that he retired after both losses instead of seeking more big fights like rematch with DLH or even Hopkins. Wright is just a stylistic nightmare for Tito and he should stay away from him as he should've stayed away from him before and made the fight with Mosley on his comback.

As for who would beat who.... Man if it weren't for Wright... What a great fight we all missed. I have little doubt that Tito would've beaten Mosley for two reasons. One, had they made that fight in 2004 it would've been at 154 which woull've been a great advantage for Tito as he was great at that weight. Two, Mosley was, is, and will allways be a brawler. Were this idea about Mosley outboxing Tito came from, I'll never know. He was freaky fast but he was never a pure boxer. Still it would be a great fight and a close one too.

Back to the subject at hand.

I don't like P4P All Time Great lists. I think people should do iether a current P4P list or an All Time Great list by division. P4P all Time Great lists just have too many variables and too many subjective arguments and I just don't like them. With that said I think Mosley is a top 5 All Time Lightweight and at his prime was briefly at the top of many P4P lists. That IMHO makes him an all time great.
CC,that;s an excellent post and I think,IF I had to make an all time top 50,SSM would be there. You made your points well. I totally agree with the highlighted points above all else.