Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Tommie Frazier was a good passer and an extremely good runner....he was before Black QB's were the norm and probably would have been asked to play WR or something but he was a damned good ball player and IMO he was better than Vick especially in college....all that stuff Vick did Frazier did better.

And I honestly don't care what color a person is it has no bearing on how you will do at a position....it's the same with white guys and basketball, I could make a team of all white guys past or present and they would stomp pretty much anyone....if you can play everything else shouldn't matter and by everything else I mean skin color religion etc .....killing dogs still matters though

I never saw Vick plow through one of the University of Florida's best teams ever for a 75 yard touchdown run after breaking like 50 tackles.


Yes Michael Vick is/was good and he was good in college too but don't tell me he did it all by himself, they had a damn fine running back in Lee Suggs who didn't pan out as a pro but hey neither did Lawrence Phillips.


Steve McNair was F****** awesome in college too bad he didn't do it on the level the other guys did but he proved himself as a pro.....same with Culpepper
Frazier was the perfect fit for the option, and he was as good an option quarterback as college ever saw, nonetheless, he was only an option quarterback. Vick couldn't throw for sh!t in the NFL but in Beamer's system his arm was just as dangerous as his legs. Let's not forget Vick was 90% of the reason VT got to the BCS title game his freshman year, whereas Frazier was surrounded by what many argue was the greatest college team of all time(and what is undisputedly proclaimed the best offensive line in history). On a different note, I'd put Vince Young as the greatest college QB of all time for the simple fact that in college, winning and being able to lead a team is just as, if not more important than putting up huge numbers, which is why I don't see a Ty Detmer or Colt Brennan as among the all time greats.