who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??

[SalTheButcher]

im drunk and cheap

[Althugz]

You're telling me Taylor's defence was shit tonight?? He was slipping almost all of Pavliks punches..Most times when Pavlik was connecting was when they both went for the jab. When Pavlik had Jermaine up against the ropes he was hardly touching him. No excuses, congrats to Pavlik. He won it fair and square but watch the match again..

[SalTheButcher]

You're telling me Taylor's defence was shit tonight?? He was slipping almost all of Pavliks punches..Most times when Pavlik was connecting was when they both went for the jab. When Pavlik had Jermaine up against the ropes he was hardly touching him. No excuses, congrats to Pavlik. He won it fair and square but watch the match again..

[SalTheButcher]

LOOK AT THAT DEFENSE!!!

[leftylee]

taylor EXCEEDED his abilities tonight...



and he STILL got KTFO

Sal bro that had me in stitches laughing haha have a cc.

So Long Jermain you boring arse cunt.

[Dark Lord Al]

Taylor has no GAS tank so he looses the rematch anyway !

[ICB]

When Pavlik was spinning in circles like a ballerina the fight should have been halted and Taylor should have had himself a second round TKO.

No it shouldn't that would of been horrible stoppage Pavlik head was clear and he was clinching Taylor did not put enough hurt on Pavlik to warrant a stoppage.

[Sugar_Shaw]

Pavlik took some great shot in round 2 and kept on coming. I don't think Talor missed his chance because Pavlik did not give him a chance due to his cast iron chin.

[ICB]

Pavlik took some great shot in round 2 and kept on coming. I don't think Talor missed his chance because Pavlik did not give him a chance due to his cast iron chin.

Totally agree Taylor landed plenty but Pavlik held on and also his iron chin survived the onslaught i don't think Taylor missed any chance to be honest it was just Pavlik was smart.

[ICB]

Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.

Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.

Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.


Total Jabs.

Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.

Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.


Total Power Punches.

Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.

Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct


Hardly a boxing lesson.

[Althugz]

Pavlik took some great shot in round 2 and kept on coming. I don't think Talor missed his chance because Pavlik did not give him a chance due to his cast iron chin.

Totally agree Taylor landed plenty but Pavlik held on and also his iron chin survived the onslaught i don't think Taylor missed any chance to be honest it was just Pavlik was smart.

Agreed with both of you..I wouldn't call it 'cast iron' chin though. Taylor has surely cast doubt on Pavliks indestructible chin (not to say its bad but he's certainly not invincible) however it was Pavlik being smart and holding using generally good survival skills. All this bullshit i'm hearing about JT not being able to finish the job is unfair IMO..Taylor is still catching too much flack for this fight..a fight he was clearly winning until the stoppage. You all wanted Taylor to come out and prove that he can fight and he's still getting gunned?..I think he did that and more. I'm not a massive Taylor fan but man, some people can be unforgiving lol. Can't wait for the rematch.

[Althugz]

Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.

Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.

Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.


Total Jabs.

Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.

Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.


Total Power Punches.

Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.

Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct


Hardly a boxing lesson.

The jabs they were landing together..you can see Taylors accuracy and ability to make Pavlik miss. Pavliks work-rate kept him in it. Maybe boxing lesson was harsh but Taylor was clearly ahead..remember numbers don't tell the whole story. Even my boys who were rooting for Pavlik agreed that Taylor was getting much the better of it. I had Pavlik winning 2 rounds by the way. Taylors work was just more impressive to me from a 'boxing' stand-point and probably impressed the judges too. (Who also are getting a hard time for scores that aren't all that bad)

[El Gamo]

Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.

Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.

Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.


Total Jabs.

Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.

Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.


Total Power Punches.

Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.

Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct


Hardly a boxing lesson.

The jabs they were landing together..you can see Taylors accuracy and ability to make Pavlik miss. Pavliks work-rate kept him in it. Maybe boxing lesson was harsh but Taylor was clearly ahead..remember numbers don't tell the whole story. Even my boys who were rooting for Pavlik agreed that Taylor was getting much the better of it. I had Pavlik winning 2 rounds by the way. Taylors work was just more impressive to me from a 'boxing' stand-point and probably impressed the judges too. (Who also are getting a hard time for scores that aren't all that bad)

No offence but your argument goes out of the window when Jermain said after the fight that he was sure he was losing and the look of surprise on his face when Merchant said that the judges had him ahead. As for Pavlik missing.....he hardly missed the right hand from the beginning..

Their scores are bad when the fighter himself thought he was behind,when Kelly is throwing more,landing more,landing harder. There was no boxing lesson,how can there be when Kelly was backing Jermain up,landing the longer,harder jab and round 2 aside,landing the harder punches.

I really think you should re watch the fight. No offence but ANYONE could see Kelly was hammering him with the right hand.All night! And Kelly was avoiding alot of Jermain's punches. As for rematch,Kelly won't be weight drained=more pressure. I think we saw the best of Taylor tonight.

[BoxingGorilla]

When Pavlik was spinning in circles like a ballerina the fight should have been halted and Taylor should have had himself a second round TKO.

No it shouldn't that would of been horrible stoppage Pavlik head was clear and he was clinching Taylor did not put enough hurt on Pavlik to warrant a stoppage.

it is VERY possible that I exaggerated the moment in my own mind due to the emotional state I was in, but I remember Pavlik with his back turned to Taylor in Round 2

[BoxingGorilla]

Taylor has no GAS tank so he looses the rematch anyway !

I have to agree.

I also think that Taylor and Manny should part ways for both their sakes.