who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??

[El Gamo]

Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.

A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.

Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.

Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.


Total Jabs.

Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.

Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.


Total Power Punches.

Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.

Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct


Hardly a boxing lesson.

The jabs they were landing together..you can see Taylors accuracy and ability to make Pavlik miss. Pavliks work-rate kept him in it. Maybe boxing lesson was harsh but Taylor was clearly ahead..remember numbers don't tell the whole story. Even my boys who were rooting for Pavlik agreed that Taylor was getting much the better of it. I had Pavlik winning 2 rounds by the way. Taylors work was just more impressive to me from a 'boxing' stand-point and probably impressed the judges too. (Who also are getting a hard time for scores that aren't all that bad)

No offence but your argument goes out of the window when Jermain said after the fight that he was sure he was losing and the look of surprise on his face when Merchant said that the judges had him ahead. As for Pavlik missing.....he hardly missed the right hand from the beginning..

Their scores are bad when the fighter himself thought he was behind,when Kelly is throwing more,landing more,landing harder. There was no boxing lesson,how can there be when Kelly was backing Jermain up,landing the longer,harder jab and round 2 aside,landing the harder punches.

No offence taken, no offence to you either gamo but if you're judging fights based on how the fighters 'feel' they did then you're plain and simple wrong. Props to Taylor for admitting that he thought he was behind but he was in there feeling those hard shots from Pavlik..as a boxer you're not keeping score and you can't see yourself while you're boxing. Thats what the judges are for. If you're judging fights based on how the fighters feel they did then Margarito got robbed against Williams we all know what happened there..
Like you said ANYONE can see that Pavlik was getting through with his right hand..sure I did see that. It's not enough to win rounds on the 4 point must system though. Taylor had the speed, accuracy, clean punching and often elusiveness off of the ropes that will rack up the points. It was good looking boxing that obviously impressed the judges. Pavlik broke him down steadily but that by no means means he was winning the fight. I've given Pavlik props like I said he got the victory fair and square but he wasn't winning IMO.

Well your points go out fo the window when you use the Margarito fight as an analogy....he thought he won. Everyone thinks they are winning. But when someone admits to thinking that they are behind and the look of surprise on his face when told he was winning,thats completely different. Only a fool would have had JT ahead by 3 rounds. Look at the punch stats. Look at who was landing the harder punches. Thank goodness Kelly won and took it away from those corrupt judges.

Elusivness?He was getting backed up.

Speed-Pavlik had the power.

Fighting off the ropes because he was being backed up there and had to fight back or get knocked out...which eventually happened.

And like I said,you originally said Pavlik was missing,well,judging by the punchstats,the fight I saw and the fight most saw,I don't think he was.Like I said,thank goodness Kelly won via KO,because getting a decision v Jermain is neigh on impossible. This was a 1 point fight either way max.