Taylor beat himself.

[ICB]

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave.

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?

Ok maybe i went bit far when i said this comment.

anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably


But come on Fenster Pavlik clearly won the round and as for McCrory he judged the round very poorly he should of seen Pavlik landed the better shots and the more shots and that alot of Taylor's punches were being blocked and the punchstats are the icing on the cake.

Punchstats are used with hindsight they're no good when scoring a fight live.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different. Silly to claim people don't know what they're watching after you've had repeated viewings and punchstats to back up your point.

I scored it for Pavlik comfortably when i was watching it for the first time when i replied to ACEA on page 2 i had only watched it once fact of matter is Pavlik won the round if your claiming someone won a round like he was with Taylor atleast watch it for a 2nd time and some people on this forum said they have watched the fight like 3 times and still had Taylor up by 3 rounds and have Taylor winning the 1st round and that escapes me it really does atleast take the punchstats into consideration when they are highly in favor of Pavlik.

Watching it live watching it 5 times watching it with the sound on or off it doesn't really matter Pavlik won the first round comfortably.

[OumaFan]

I don't agree, I mean Pavlik was even outjabbing Taylor, I think this fight was the first time I've ever agreed with Harold Lederman, I only gave Taylor the second and the fifth.

I was impressed with Pavlik, after the second he was agressive but not in a wild way, using the jab, the right hand, not opening up in a wild way but grinding Taylor down. Taylor just started looking desperate to me, I definitely don't agree that he was coming on, he did well in the fifth and I guess you could make a case that he won the sixth, but he was just looking desperate and tired.

I'm not saying Taylor couldn't beat Pavlik, he obviously can hurt Pavlik, but I don't think Taylor's chances of winning a decision are that good. His conditioning is just very poor and his defense just isn't good enough to avoid Pavlik's power for twelve round. I was shocked at how easy it was for Pavlik to land his jab.

[bcollins]

I thought the scoring was a little funky, too. No way was JT winning that many rounds, especially the first.

As for Taylor beating himself, that's just crazy. It's not like he gassed out so badly that he was staggering around the ring - in fact, I thought he had won round 5 handily by timing Pavlik. Round 6 was a little closer, but JT was still throwing good, aggressive, intelligent shots. Even the first part of 7 was competetive, until Pavlik's duo of jab, jab-right combos got JT in trouble. Taylor got caught. Period. Why? I don't think it was because he punched himself out in the second round. That may have contributed to his loss, but I think a fresh Taylor still would have been in trouble from that right hand.

[Fenster]

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave.

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?

Ok maybe i went bit far when i said this comment.

anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably


But come on Fenster Pavlik clearly won the round and as for McCrory he judged the round very poorly he should of seen Pavlik landed the better shots and the more shots and that alot of Taylor's punches were being blocked and the punchstats are the icing on the cake.

Punchstats are used with hindsight they're no good when scoring a fight live.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different. Silly to claim people don't know what they're watching after you've had repeated viewings and punchstats to back up your point.

I scored it for Pavlik comfortably when i was watching it for the first time when i replied to ACEA on page 2 i had only watched it once fact of matter is Pavlik won the round if your claiming someone won a round like he was with Taylor atleast watch it for a 2nd time and some people on this forum said they have watched the fight like 3 times and still had Taylor up by 3 rounds and have Taylor winning the 1st round and that escapes me it really does atleast take the punchstats into consideration when they are highly in favor of Pavlik.

Watching it live watching it 5 times watching it with the sound on or off it doesn't really matter Pavlik won the first round comfortably.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different.

[ICB]

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave.

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?

Ok maybe i went bit far when i said this comment.

anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably


But come on Fenster Pavlik clearly won the round and as for McCrory he judged the round very poorly he should of seen Pavlik landed the better shots and the more shots and that alot of Taylor's punches were being blocked and the punchstats are the icing on the cake.

Punchstats are used with hindsight they're no good when scoring a fight live.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different. Silly to claim people don't know what they're watching after you've had repeated viewings and punchstats to back up your point.

I scored it for Pavlik comfortably when i was watching it for the first time when i replied to ACEA on page 2 i had only watched it once fact of matter is Pavlik won the round if your claiming someone won a round like he was with Taylor atleast watch it for a 2nd time and some people on this forum said they have watched the fight like 3 times and still had Taylor up by 3 rounds and have Taylor winning the 1st round and that escapes me it really does atleast take the punchstats into consideration when they are highly in favor of Pavlik.

Watching it live watching it 5 times watching it with the sound on or off it doesn't really matter Pavlik won the first round comfortably.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different.

But that doesn't change the fact that Pavlik won first round he blocked alot of Taylor's shot landed the more cleaner and effective blows and if that isn't enough.

Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72

[ACEA]

'Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72'

That doesnt tell you the quality of the punches thrown eg which where good clean punches and which were pit-a-pat.

[ICB]

'Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72'

That doesnt tell you the quality of the punches thrown eg which where good clean punches and which were pit-a-pat.

Quality of punches ?? Pavlik was throwing stiff jab and landing with good right hands come on theres no way in hell Taylor won that round if you just watch the round you can see Taylor's punches getting blocked at the start of the round when Taylor comes out swinging alot of those punches missed Pavlik landed more effective and cleaner blows and the punchstats like i said earlier are the icing on the cake.

[Althugz]

'Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72'

That doesnt tell you the quality of the punches thrown eg which where good clean punches and which were pit-a-pat.

Quality of punches ?? Pavlik was throwing stiff jab and landing with good right hands come on theres no way in hell Taylor won that round if you just watch the round you can see Taylor's punches getting blocked at the start of the round when Taylor comes out swinging alot of those punches missed Pavlik landed more effective and cleaner blows and the punchstats like i said earlier are the icing on the cake.

ICE, 3 judges, A television judge and a hell of a lot of people gave the first round to Taylor..Just deal with it mate!! If it was one person saying it then fair enough but we're giving you well thought out arguements as to how Taylor won the first round (in our opinion). I really couldn't give a shit what the stats say, I know what I was watching and that to me looked different to the stats! Rounds sometimes look a hell of a lot different than the stats would have you believe.
You can't force people to see what you see which is what it is coming across like

[El Gamo]

'Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72'

That doesnt tell you the quality of the punches thrown eg which where good clean punches and which were pit-a-pat.

Quality of punches ?? Pavlik was throwing stiff jab and landing with good right hands come on theres no way in hell Taylor won that round if you just watch the round you can see Taylor's punches getting blocked at the start of the round when Taylor comes out swinging alot of those punches missed Pavlik landed more effective and cleaner blows and the punchstats like i said earlier are the icing on the cake.

ICE, 3 judges, A television judge and a hell of a lot of people gave the first round to Taylor..Just deal with it mate!! If it was one person saying it then fair enough but we're giving you well thought out arguements as to how Taylor won the first round (in our opinion). I really couldn't give a shit what the stats say, I know what I was watching and that to me looked different to the stats! Rounds sometimes look a hell of a lot different than the stats would have you believe.
You can't force people to see what you see which is what it is coming across like

You sound as if you are tearing your hair out!!

[Althugz]

'Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72'

That doesnt tell you the quality of the punches thrown eg which where good clean punches and which were pit-a-pat.

Quality of punches ?? Pavlik was throwing stiff jab and landing with good right hands come on theres no way in hell Taylor won that round if you just watch the round you can see Taylor's punches getting blocked at the start of the round when Taylor comes out swinging alot of those punches missed Pavlik landed more effective and cleaner blows and the punchstats like i said earlier are the icing on the cake.

ICE, 3 judges, A television judge and a hell of a lot of people gave the first round to Taylor..Just deal with it mate!! If it was one person saying it then fair enough but we're giving you well thought out arguements as to how Taylor won the first round (in our opinion). I really couldn't give a S*** what the stats say, I know what I was watching and that to me looked different to the stats! Rounds sometimes look a hell of a lot different than the stats would have you believe.
You can't force people to see what you see which is what it is coming across like

You sound as if you are tearing your hair out!!

I really am lol becomes after i'm done discussing this topic lol

[RozzySean]

He had Pavlik beaten, he screwed up badly. I don't think these are mistakes he can ever correct, but in my mind if he hadn't tired himself out he is too fast for Pavlik to have won, and Pavlik doesn't have good enough defense, I think his chin is fine because Taylor punches hard despite what some people are saying.

Taylor done as well as he could of against Pavlik instead of people keep saying Taylor screwed up in round 2 how about giving Pavlik the credit for clinching and having the survival instinct to clinch and clearing his head and managing to survive i mean Taylor landed 44 power shots in round 2 how the hell is that a mistake ??

It wasn't only round two look at all the other rounds where he was all tense and throwing very energy expending haymakers that didn't land.

I disagree that he had Pavlik beaten or that he beat himself. he had him hurt but not beaten, but you are right, it isn't just energy expending haymakers. He's too tense in the ring and he always has been. He gets too hyper and amped up, then drops his right, then things go poorly for him. He was finally in witha guy that made him pay for that flaw in his game. That's just him. Some fighters are like that. He's the anti-James Toney. You could say he beat himself if he changed or fought differently than the way he came to be champion, but he did the same crap against Wright and Hopkins. They just didn't have have the raw power end the fight with two perfect 1-2's.

[CountryBoy]

This topic equals crap

[ACEA]

i agree this topic is crap. Sure JT did gas out but Pavlik still landed the KO punches and took him out of there. I did think JT was winning the fight but it doesnt matter he got knocked back into reality. I will say that he did deserve to get KOed due to his lackluster effots in the fights before this one.

[ICB]

'Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72'

That doesnt tell you the quality of the punches thrown eg which where good clean punches and which were pit-a-pat.

Quality of punches ?? Pavlik was throwing stiff jab and landing with good right hands come on theres no way in hell Taylor won that round if you just watch the round you can see Taylor's punches getting blocked at the start of the round when Taylor comes out swinging alot of those punches missed Pavlik landed more effective and cleaner blows and the punchstats like i said earlier are the icing on the cake.

ICE, 3 judges, A television judge and a hell of a lot of people gave the first round to Taylor..Just deal with it mate!! If it was one person saying it then fair enough but we're giving you well thought out arguements as to how Taylor won the first round (in our opinion). I really couldn't give a S*** what the stats say, I know what I was watching and that to me looked different to the stats! Rounds sometimes look a hell of a lot different than the stats would have you believe.
You can't force people to see what you see which is what it is coming across like

I couldn't really careless because he knocked Taylor's ass out but the stats are well in favor of Pavlik plus he landed cleaner more effective blows if you want to try and deny the facts of the stats to make you feel better go ahead but fact of matter is they are the facts and Pavlik won the round you need to rewatch to round and pay close attention to Taylor's punches getting blocked like when he started off the round fast most of the punches were either blocked or they missed.

[dcR-Reckless]

I had taylor winning
but,
he got beat by Pavlik.
Good fight, Reps for both boxers