Taylor beat himself.

[Pavlik]

Nah Taylor got beat because we're closer to Halloween(Ghost Pavlik) than it is Christmas(Taylor Gifts)
Just joking

[ICB]

Nah Taylor got beat because we're closer to Halloween(Ghost Pavlik) than it is Christmas(Taylor Gifts)
Just joking

I liked that pretty witty

[Pavlik]

Nah Taylor got beat because we're closer to Halloween(Ghost Pavlik) than it is Christmas(Taylor Gifts)
Just joking

I liked that pretty witty

Thanks Ice, CC you back
I just hope they would pursue the rematch.

CC you tomorrow, can't repeat karma action.

[Landon]

It doesn't matter what PavMan does, he'll have his haters. If Hopkins fights him and Kelly wins they'll all say he beat a geezer; if he whoops JT's a** again they'll say JT was overhyped or not what he used to be. At least Kelly will fight true middleweights instead of picking on guys like Ouma and Spinks, but that was o.k. for JT to do. I've been sticking up for JT all day, but simply, he lost. Whether he lost the fight himself or Kelly just beat the brakes off him, irregardless he lost. People can argue and make excuses for every fight and fighter ever made, doesn't change the outcome. If Kelly wouldn't have been making silly faces he would never have gotten knocked down anyways, and may have k.o.'d JT faster; who knows Who cares; Jt got slowly but surely manhandled. A huge portion of his shots were blocked and Pav was slowly breaking him down with his jab. JT gassed out, Jt didn't patiently and smartly follow up on Pav in the second round, Jt didn't do this or that; blah blah blah. I know one thing JT didn't do, and that's win the fight!!! Maybe next time he'll pay attention more. Maybe he won't listen to Manny talking all that smack about Kelly being overhyped, a one hit wonder, a pasty, skinny white boy who's best win was beating a {supposedly} overhyped Miranda, etc. etc. Hope they enjoyed eating crow last night. JT was supposed to be the best in the division, undefeated and never put down, much less put out, and he beat Hop twice and and drawed Wright. Well, he should of had an easier night with Pasty Pavlik right Well, he got smoked, and will get smoked in the rematch probably faster. If JT learns from this fight, don't forget Pavlik will also learn from it and come back better too. Also, JT has to fight a guy who is the only one to k.o. him, while Kelly is coming in confident as hell against a guy he beat down. I know where my money is going on the next fight. Kelly will destroy him in a rematch; then we can listen to all the excuses after that happens again. I'd be surprised if they even try and fight Kelly again.

Holly sheet, I dont have anything to say now. You said it all brother.cc to you.

Taylor ran out of steam because Kelly was beating it out of him. Like i have said in other post.Even Jermain thought he was losing.

[the Animal]

Seriously, Pavlik beat him, straight up, fair and square. He out punched, out lasted, and straight up out boxed JT. Stop complaining, the kid is legit. He's here to stay, and can only go up from here.

-tA

[Taeth]

It doesn't matter what PavMan does, he'll have his haters. If Hopkins fights him and Kelly wins they'll all say he beat a geezer; if he whoops JT's a** again they'll say JT was overhyped or not what he used to be. At least Kelly will fight true middleweights instead of picking on guys like Ouma and Spinks, but that was o.k. for JT to do. I've been sticking up for JT all day, but simply, he lost. Whether he lost the fight himself or Kelly just beat the brakes off him, irregardless he lost. People can argue and make excuses for every fight and fighter ever made, doesn't change the outcome. If Kelly wouldn't have been making silly faces he would never have gotten knocked down anyways, and may have k.o.'d JT faster; who knows Who cares; Jt got slowly but surely manhandled. A huge portion of his shots were blocked and Pav was slowly breaking him down with his jab. JT gassed out, Jt didn't patiently and smartly follow up on Pav in the second round, Jt didn't do this or that; blah blah blah. I know one thing JT didn't do, and that's win the fight!!! Maybe next time he'll pay attention more. Maybe he won't listen to Manny talking all that smack about Kelly being overhyped, a one hit wonder, a pasty, skinny white boy who's best win was beating a {supposedly} overhyped Miranda, etc. etc. Hope they enjoyed eating crow last night. JT was supposed to be the best in the division, undefeated and never put down, much less put out, and he beat Hop twice and and drawed Wright. Well, he should of had an easier night with Pasty Pavlik right Well, he got smoked, and will get smoked in the rematch probably faster. If JT learns from this fight, don't forget Pavlik will also learn from it and come back better too. Also, JT has to fight a guy who is the only one to k.o. him, while Kelly is coming in confident as hell against a guy he beat down. I know where my money is going on the next fight. Kelly will destroy him in a rematch; then we can listen to all the excuses after that happens again. I'd be surprised if they even try and fight Kelly again.

Holly sheet, I dont have anything to say now. You said it all brother.cc to you.

Taylor ran out of steam because Kelly was beating it out of him. Like i have said in other post.Even Jermain thought he was losing.

Pavlik wasn't putting enough pressure on Taylor to burn him out. Taylor burnt himself out by being so tense, and throwing way too many wild punches that didn't come close to landing. Pavlik was not breaking Jermain down with the jab. Taylor was landing the far harder jabs and he was the one who made Pavlik's nose bleed not vice virsa. Pavlik caught him two good 1-2 combinations which have been landed on Taylor countless times when he backs up, but by nobody with Pavlik's power.

[VictorCharlie]

Taylor showed good timing, handspeed and accuracy, but like I thought he isn't a technical/slick enough boxer to outbox Pavlick for twelve rounds. And he cannot bang with Kelly. I think as long as Kelly brings his A game that he can force Jermain eventually to trade with him and get the KO. I think Kelly wins this fight 75% of the time.

[Mr140]

Taeth seem to me like that jab was landing hard with Jermain head was bobbing back i think Pavlik was out boxing him to tell you the truth the way you are talking it is like you were watching a different fight then i was what is up with all this people it was close and Pavlik was breaking him down and once he got him huert he finished it i do not know what else to say because it seems like you saw a different fight then i did

[johnsebastianmiran]

I don't know about anyone beating themselves but Taylor lost because he f*****up and ignored his game plan. He wasted energy and his stamina went south but when a man knocks you out, it takes almost a supernatural effort to win in the rematch. I wish him luck but history has a nasty way of repeating itself. I just hope he doesn't get hurt because although his pride was shattered, it's a sport and he was good enough to be champ and now he has to be better than he ever was to be champ again. The old adage just in case anyone forgot is that when a man becomes champion he usually improves twofolds. Kelly that night became the better man, that night because there's another saying,"Next!"

[Fenster]

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave.

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?

Ok maybe i went bit far when i said this comment.

anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably


But come on Fenster Pavlik clearly won the round and as for McCrory he judged the round very poorly he should of seen Pavlik landed the better shots and the more shots and that alot of Taylor's punches were being blocked and the punchstats are the icing on the cake.

Punchstats are used with hindsight they're no good when scoring a fight live.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different. Silly to claim people don't know what they're watching after you've had repeated viewings and punchstats to back up your point.

I scored it for Pavlik comfortably when i was watching it for the first time when i replied to ACEA on page 2 i had only watched it once fact of matter is Pavlik won the round if your claiming someone won a round like he was with Taylor atleast watch it for a 2nd time and some people on this forum said they have watched the fight like 3 times and still had Taylor up by 3 rounds and have Taylor winning the 1st round and that escapes me it really does atleast take the punchstats into consideration when they are highly in favor of Pavlik.

Watching it live watching it 5 times watching it with the sound on or off it doesn't really matter Pavlik won the first round comfortably.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different.

But that doesn't change the fact that Pavlik won first round he blocked alot of Taylor's shot landed the more cleaner and effective blows and if that isn't enough.

Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different.

[stebs]

This thread could go on forever, Taylor got handled in this one, Knocked out legitimately. If they fight again I think the result will be the same but if it goes to a decision Taylor wins on points even if he was beaten post to post.

[donnydarkoIRL]

People can't really argue that Jermaine beat himself or that if he hadn't tired out etc....
I was shouting for taylor have no mistake. I was pretty happy with the first two rounds, but after the bell sounded for the third it was all downhill. Taylor lost 3 4 5 6, and 1 was arguable for either, i only barely gave it to Jermaine.
Pavlik applied himself and forced his tactics upon Taylor, he outjabbed Taylor. The HBO team had to admit that Taylors much famed jab was second best on the night. He was outgunned.

All in all Taylor was dominated.

It doesn't feel good saying that

[headson]

to both fighters to have a good fight
i official dethrone jermain taylor of calling him half-azz

a great fight but i dont think he beat his self
he box well he stun pavlik seems like he start good but finish not strong
pavlik just turn up the heat and taylor didint expect it

i'll give it to him after his post fight interview also

[LEGION]

CC to you also Landon, thanks. And to Taeth, I think you're pretty on target with JT being really tense, he looked tense before the fight and the whole fight, and that does burn energy. Kelly's strong jab definately didn't help matters though, plus the constant come forward style. Only JT knows for sure, but Kelly is strong and those jabs though not seeming to do alot of physical, noticeable damage, had to be taking their toll. JT can take a shot, and took many from Kelly, and was just getting outworked at the end. It will be hard for JT to get back in the ring with Kelly cause' I personally think JT will be just as tense, but again only JT knows. I hope JT comes back strong as I have always liked him; time will tell. My only real point was that all fighters realize after the fight what went wrong, and then say I could have done this or that, but it doesn't matter, cause' he lost. I'm sure Kelly will get beat on and his fans will do the same thing. I never try to make excuses for a fighter if they lose; they lost, move on and learn from it. JT will be back and I for one look forward to it. CC to you also Taeth

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I was impressed with Taylor’s speed throughout t the match.. he showed some mongoose reflexes, had a nice arsenal of punches. Taylor’s problem is he is flat footed , not a slick boxer who is light on his feet,. He is an offensive fighter by trait. vs. a bigger fellow like this Palvik there is really nothing more Taylor can do to win. He got out gunned . Kelly repeats in a rematch.

I sort off agree.

But the thing is, if he's to be offensive by trait and not quite the mover, then he needs to get comfortable on the inside, learn how to hustle there and stop conceeding ground.

He's reflexes & head movemnet were indeed quite impressive at times but he has absolutely no guard other than a couple of cute dips n sways.
I thought Manny Steward would of taught him to close the gap much much MUCH more often (in that defensive way that W. Klitschko & Lewis does/ did).

With out these kinda of skills he always gonnna be left looking scared and inexperienced.

Finally though, im gald the truth is out about Taylor. He's not P4P material and probably never will be. With that out the way i can actually start to like Taylor for what he is