where will Pavlik be in the pound for pound list?

[Kev]

I got Pavlik coming in at number 15 with Taylor dropping out of the top 15.

If Pavlik knocks out the guy in 6.75 rounds of boxing and that guy beat Hopkins twice,then why dose Hopkins get in the top five and Pavlik is in you 15th ranking? Please embellish on this because I'm confused.

P4P ranking isn't based on a single fight alone though buddy. Hopkins is the longest reigning middleweight champ of all time. Prior to his razor thin decision losses to Taylor he was p4p number 1 in the sport and had reeled off 20 odd straight defenses.

He also held all the belts and was the unified middleweight champ.

Since his losses to Taylor he has rebounded beating THE man at 175 lb jumping two divisions in the process and has beaten the best other middleweight Winky Wright.

Hopkins is top 5 p4p NO QUESTION!

Pavlik did great last weekend and the whole boxing world just stood up and took notice. But he doesn't jump up as high as Hopkins on the back of one win.

The p4p rankings arn't (or shouldn't) be at the mercy of every single fight result. To be a top 10 p4p you need to have proven yourself, defended your title a few times, unified some belts, maybe moved up and won belts in two or more divisions.

When you consider Pavliks acomplishments in the light of other fighters he's not yet done a whole lot. Sure, he might go on to be great, but you don't become great on the back of a single win. If he defends his belt a few times, unifies the titles or makes a sucessful move up to 168 lb then he becomes one of the elite.

For now he's just made the first (huge) step.

So Auburn is better than Ohio State because Florida lost to Auburn and Ohio State got throttled. How is it not different.

Sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about.

Anyway my take on it is this. The p4p rankings are based on a fighters overall record and performances over a period of time not just one fight result.

Just like in a soccer or American Football league during the groups stages if you beat the top team it doesn't automatically put you above them, it depends how many points you both had before.

In soccer Man Utd might lose to Fulham but it doesn't mean Fulham will replace Man Utd's position in the league it depnds how many points they had both scored in the season so far.

Likewise in boxing, Pavlik scored a huge win over Jermain Taylor but he doesn't on the back of that win, his first title fight, jump into the top 10 p4p imo. Likewise Taylor doesn't plummet down too far, it doesn't work like that.

Violent D said Pavlik is about 15 and I broadly agree. He beat the man in the middleweight division, BUT at least half of all ref's would have stopped the fight in the second round in favour of Taylor, in which we case we would all be talking about how Taylor blew Pavlik away. He was also trailing on all scorecards as well so talk about a Pavlik domination of Taylor is overblown.

It was a terrific fight reminiscent of Vazquez Marquez and like those fights the rematch could just as easily swing the other way.

Meanwhile Pavlik has only had 1 world title fight. That doesn't catapualt you to top 10 p4p imo. I'd still have guys like Mosely, Calderon, Kessler etc above him just outside the top 10 as they have all won belts in multiple divisions or else won multiple belts in the same division.

If you are going to just raise someone 20 or 30 places on the p4p list on the back of one result then your p4p list is going to change more often than Michael Jacksons face.