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Miranda could have easily been the champ after his fight w/ abraham... most think he beat the champ, he did break abraham's jaw in two places...

so that would be two championship fights..

P4P is not based solely on what you have did, it is a combo of what you have done and what you can still do... that is why cotto is a P4P #10 and DLH isnt...

I expect pavlik to take that 10 spot away from cotto in the next issue but we will see...
Cotto has done more than De La Hoya over the last 3 or 4 years, Pavlik has done more only in the past week mate. He needs to win a couple more fights yet.

It has taken Cotto about 18 months since his arrival as a big star to just break into the top 10 p4p. Pavlik could be there in his next fight if he rematches and beats Taylor again. But imo none of the guys I've mentioned deserve being demoted to accomodate him yet.
but cotto has never beaten a p4per,and he has never beaten the best and his division, he hasnt won when he was the underdog and has had sub-par performances..... pavlik has been the most dominate fighter this year against the #1 contender and the #1 in his division...

my point is he is at the top 10 P4P level... again what is yours, where would you rate pavlik??
As I said above he's around 14 or 15. Cotto may not have had the chance to face a steller opponent yet but his chance will come next month. Whomever wins between Mosely and Cotto is p4p no question, one will probably replace the other.

It's all well and good saying someone should be top 10 p4p but it comes at the expense of another fighter and right now there are at least 10 fighters in the world across all weight divisions who have achieved more in their careers than Pavlik.

Taylor was a good champion, the man at 160 lbs but it was only one fight.

Before that Pavlik wasn't even in probably the top 30 or so p4p so he's jumped around 20 places!

He can higher again if he wins next time out.