Joe Calzaghe invites Kelly Pavlik to Cardiff.

[Preme]

and going down the same path as sheika's loss, look at joppy - got his a** handed to him by tito in 5 rounds, yet 2 years later losses to hopkins on points, but when people talk about hopkins they bring up joppy as if he is a good scalp to have have...

Nope not me Preme i don't think Hopkins Middleweight reign is much.

That's kind of interesting; I'd be curious to know your opinion of Hagler's reign over the divison. The reason I ask is because they are very similar. Like Hopkins, Hagler's biggest victory was over a former welterweight (Hearns and Trinidad) known for his big punch. Like Hopkins, the quality of opposition during the reign was questionable. If you look at Hagler's 12 successful defenses, other than Hearns only Antuofermo and Duran (fighting 25 pounds above his best weight and 5 years outside his prime) were former champions and only Obelmejias would ever become a champion (he eventually won the WBA 168 championship from Chong Pal Park and lost it in his first defense). Was Hagler's reign "much" to you?

To me, they were both impressive reigns; they did not duck anyone and fought every top challenger to come along. It wasn't their fault that they were head and shoulders better than anyone else in their division.

CC for this and your other post...

thats the problem when you choose to stay in a devision and reign over it. Fighters either get beat and move up, ot move up for bigger pay days... Joe and hopkins both stayed at their best weight and ruled over it for 20 defenses, yes i think possibly both could of/should of moved up at some stage in their career as there may of bene bigger fights - doing what both of them done is a very impressive thing IMO making 20 defenses and beating the ebst at that weight doing so is a great thing to do.