thanks scrap i know some lads that go to Sheffield donavan smile, siddy and Jr witter i know these lad personally and i can drive there myself as for donavan and Jr live in Sheffield they train a ingles's gym. is this the same gym as you was meaning. another friend of my Gavin he was an ex-pro and he told me to go to his old gym where mark hobson trains in Huddersfield i was talking to him last night and he said he would take me down but is there any point if i haven't got my licence yet? or should i go to see what the gym is like and get to know the trainers and stuff?